User talk:Dekkappai

(Archive 1)

Filmographies

Ok mate.

• Show me two or three pages that contain filmographies with all the columns you need. I know you did before, but it's kind of difficult to retrieve the scattered data in our talk pages. Would be nice if you wrote a short summary.
• Colour: What do you think the colour of a filmography table should be?
  • The same green as the infobox (wold turn normal articles quite colourful, but readers could see at once that this is a filmography)
  • The same blue as the navigational headers on category pages (compare Category:Months for example)
  • The less colour possible. Clean and straight, simply with grey headers (maybe we get a problem there because we cannot display all the lines we'd like too, but it will work somehow).
  • Oh, I just got the idea I personally like best: Headers (and perhaps left column if there is one) in the green of the biobox, rest as straight and white as the category navigational headers. This would be less offensive to the eye, but the green header marks the table as filmography.

Looking forward to your input.

Prophecy 17:58, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

Ok, please have a look at {{Supervixens}} for a start. We will have the problem that the filmography overlaps with the biobox if the screen width is less than 1024 px and if the filmography has all columns and long actress names in it. But you already know that... In "normal" cases (i. e. not all columns or average actress names), it evens fits on the page together with the biobox. Like it should do on {{Supervixens}}. I contracted some data in one column (Technical and stuff). I also moved the distributor to "Technical" which more sense to me. This would solve my little problem that a company is not a staff person. I think I'll move this field to "Technical" in the infobox too. Prophecy 19:29, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

• Quote: "I think all the info in the "Technical" column should have its own column: "Release date/distributor/ID#"" I don't understand that. It already has its own column. Or do you mean that the header title should be changed? I'd prefer "Technical", because it's short. Every other title would lengthen the header which causes collision problems with the biobox later.
• Colour: As this is a template, it'll be very easy to change to colour later. One change and all tables have the new style.
• Joy of Big Tits on Supervixen page: It's all manually coded for testing purposes. At the moment, {{Filmography start}} contains a few sample entries to test how it looks like. I added two Lucy Love films from her page too, to see if this also works with other filmographies. We shouldn't have too many lines if there's no cover photo for example. Lucy Love's page would become 2 kms long. :-)
• Quote: "And this all means that each video in a list/filmography will have its own separate template file, right?" Yes and no. We can't force people to write templates for all films if they just want to write a filmography. There'll be a how-to guide. Short summary: You start every filmography with {{filmography start}} and finish it with {{filmography end}}. This creates the predefined filmography table. For every line in this filmography, you use the {{Film}} template. But (ha, and there's my new idea!) you don't have to create templates for all entries. Imagine the pain if you had templates for four films, but there are six more films to add to the filmography. You'd either have to create the other six (*sigh*), even if you wouldn't like to at that moment, or you wouldn't have any filmography at all. The film template will allow both: If there's an existing template for the film, it will use the data from this template and display it. If there's no template for the film so far, you can add the data manually, roughly like: {{film|list=1|title="Dekkappai's Adventues in Japanese Glubber Wobbers|released=[[2008]]|notes=Released only in Kasakhstan}}. So every filmography entry has a line with {{film|...}}, regardless if the corresponding template exists or not. As soon as a template for this film is created, all manual data will be overridden. No more table syntax anymore. No more formatting. Just {{Filmography start}}, {{Film}} and {{Filmography end}}. Roughly. If it works. :-) Prophecy 20:15, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

• Columns for each: I do not see any use, except if you want to have your table sortable (a functionality I just added, have a look at {{Filmography start}}) :-). But then comes the question: Sorting by date will be useless, because we have different formats (only year, full date, sometimes even comments inside the release date field). Sorting by cast is useless too. Sorting by running time? The only useful function would be sorting by title, director and ID. Title and Director are possible, so there's only ID left. Or is it for esthetical reasons? I'd rather prefer to have this in one field.
• Having filmography entries for series: Yes. There will be no difference between films, videos, series or episodes. Everything that can have an infobox (and we already have type=series and type=episode there) can be displayed inline or as a filmography entry too. For example, if a director has created several single films and one series, you can make a filmography that contains his films and a single entry for the whole series. Other way round: Create templates for all Joy of Big tits videos, and you can a) list them on the Joy of Big Tits page and b) take a few single entries from there and put them into the filmography of an actress.

Once there is a template for a film or series, you can do with it whatever you want - use it as a biobox in an article about this film, use it as a filmography entry on various pages or just mention it inline within an article text. Prophecy 20:45, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

Well, I think I'll add the sorting functionality, doesn't do harm. No, don't start, not even the format how this template should look like and which parameters it has to hand over to the subtemplates are defined - even if it looks quite ready on {{Supervixens}}. It will take a while until the filmography templates are finished. When everything is done and tested you can start. But I'll leave for now. I'll continue tomorrow or later. Have a nice time! Prophecy 22:58, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

Funny... I just pushed the release date into a separate column! About the running time: It was you who added it to some filmography I think; I took the field out of your lists. If yuo say it's not necessary, I'll take it out, and all problems are solved. "Technical" could become "Distributor", done. Please note: We do not make any differences between videos and films. If we take the running time out, it will be for all kind of media listed in filmographies. But I think the running time is really not that important for a mere filmography. In the infobox, on the other hand, it is displayed. You can have a look at {{Supervixens}}. I took the test entries out. There's no documentation yet, but if I'm not completely wrong, {{Supervixens}} should be ready to use. Don't start creating templates though. When I made the how-to, you will be able to create templates with this automatic preview page. If you start creating them manually, you won't see your changes take effect. Also, the manual functionality is not yet implemented. I. e. it works if a template exists, but not with manual parameters. I did not even test what happens if there's no template. :-) Prophecy 09:57, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

One more decision: Most of the filmographies on Boobpedia do not contain director and cast. So I'm planning not to display these columns by default. With something like showdirector and showcast parameters you'd be able to display them. I think it's friendly towards editors who are just typing in their small filmography, while we are able to use the parameters. Do you think that's good? Or would you prefer it the other way round: All columns displayed by default, with parameters like nodirector and nocast to make them disappear. This would mean all other editors would have to turn them off manually. But it would have the advantage that many editors might want to make their filmographies more complete - if there's a field, why not fill it. Prophecy 10:08, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

We are getting closer...

Hi Dekkappai,

1. Different film and article names
I have now fully implemented the feature that a film can have a different caption than the article name. Just look at this and mouse over or click on the film name: {{film|Supervixens|year=1}} gives Supervixens (1975) (links to a dummy article in this case). This means:

• If you want to mention Erotica (film) in a filmography, only Erotica ist displayed, but it links to Erotica (film). This can be done by setting the name parameter to "Erotica", but the article parameter to "Erotica (film)".
• You told me that you'd like to have something like "GAS-092" to refer to. This works too. You only have to create a template which redirects to the original film template (to the template, not the article!).
  Here's a working example for Supervixens: I created the template {{Supervixens (film)}} in order not to produce a too stupid file on Boobpedia. {{Supervixens (film)}} only contains a redirect: #redirect [[Template:Supervixens]]. So you can write:
  {{film|Supervixens (film)|year=1}}, and it will be displayed as Supervixens (1975) - as if you wrote the original {{film|Supervixens|year=1}}, no difference.
  Same for {{film|GAS-092|year=1}}: Create a template named Template:GAS-092 wich contains a redirect to the original template, and you can write {{film|GAS-092|year=1}} or {{film|(Your original film title)|year=1}} with the same effect.
• I chose the redirect solution for the following reason: It would have been possible to simply set name to "(Your original film title)" and article to "GAS-092". But this would mean that your article name would have to be "GAS-092" and would have caused your film to be listed as "GAS-092" in Category:Films - which wouldn't have been nice - and confusing for users. With the redirect solution you can have all at once: Create an article wich has a "speaking" English name, create a redirection template to be able to easily refer to your article in filmographies, and only have the clear English name displayed whereever and however you refer to your film. Imagine how easy the filmographies on your Japanese label list will become:

{{filmography start|style=listfull}}
{{film|GAS-001|style=listfull}}
{{film|GAS-002|style=listfull}}
{{film|GAS-003|style=listfull}}
[...]
{{filmography end}}

2. Default columns
I simplified the way how to display columns. There are only two versions left now: style = list (simple, without director and cast) and style = listfull (with director and cast). So "normal" editors can use the simple list for their mere listings of videos a porn star did, and you can use listfull to have everything displayed. The only thing that remains is that this lists "Russ Meyer" as director of all the films on his page, although we know that the director is Russ Meyer. This may appear silly at first, but there are films that have two or more directors. In this case, "Russ Meyer" would appear black and bold, and the link to the other director would be active and blue. I think this is acceptable. Otherwise the whole thing would have become too complicated to use.

3. And what if there is no template for my film? I simply want to write my filmography!
No problem. Do so. Entries for existing or non-existing templates can be used in friendly coexistence. See this:

{{filmography start|style=listfull}}
{{film|Supervixens|style=listfull|director=Test to show that data will be overwritten}}
{{film|Dekkappai's Adventures|style=listfull|released=[[March 19]], [[2008]]|distributor=Boobpedia films|starring=Dekkappai|director=Dekkappai|notes=His first film!}}
{{film|Dekkappai's Dreams|style=listfull|released=[[March 20]], [[2008]]|distributor=Boobpedia films|starring=Dekkappai|director=Dekkappai|notes=His second film!}}
{{filmography end}}

	Title	Released	Company	Director	Starring	Notes
	Supervixens	April 2, 1975		Russ Meyer	Ann Marie, Christy Hartburg, Deborah McGuire, Shari Eubank, Sharon Kelly, Uschi Digard
	Dekkappai's Adventures	March 19, 2008		Dekkappai	Dekkappai	His first film!
	Dekkappai's Dreams	March 20, 2008		Dekkappai	Dekkappai	His second film!

If there ever will be a template created for "Dekkappai's dreams", all data you provided manually in your filmography will be overwritten by the data from the new template - no need to change your filmography later, even if the template did not exist at the time you wrote your filmography. See the Supervixens line: I added a dummy text for director, but it is ignored, because the template exists.

Note: If you list your "GAS-092" example in a filmography and there is no template yet, be aware of the fact that the film will be listed as "GAS-092" in your filmography until the template (which provides the real name) is created. You cannot work around this by creating the redirection template leading to the (not yet written) film template. This would create a dead red link.

Ok, I'll now have to write the documentation and set the procedure to create new template so that you do not have to create your templates manually.

Regards

Prophecy 03:21, 3 August 2008 (EDT)