Category talk:Pin-up models

What's the definition of a pin-up?

Is it any one who's been in a calendar or poster? In that case all Playboy centerfolds should be included. Any Sports Illustrated models and most Supermodels too. (There should also be a Supermodel category for hotties like Laetitia Casta & Stephanie Seymore who have posed nude.) Why are pornstars like Uschi & Chesty Morgan in the pin-up category? H Bruthzoo 08:45, 25 April 2007 (PDT)

Though this was written over a year ago. I don't really recall Chesty Morgan doing any porn at all, besides B-movies. Both her and Uschi did some sort of pin up/nude modeling, before ever doing any kind of movie/porn/etc (except any 8mm/"nudie cuties"). Nude pin ups were refered to as "Cheesecake" during the 50's/early 60's. Off topic for a bit. If you compare the 50's and 60's. You'll notice one thing, pubic hair. Rarely there was pubic hair shown during the 50's (Donna Miller for example). Now my definition of a pin up is any nude/non-nude modeling from 40s-early 70's. Though it's my own definition. Some women might pose nude in the early 70's and I wouldn't consider them or her photos pin up. I can go on and on about this. But it'll just end up looking like an essay :). Apara 23:17, 30 September 2008 (EDT)

I want to add one small thing, somewhat unrelated. Though there might be alot of pin up here. Information about any of them is very minimal. So all you would get is "so and so is a pin up model". Maybe where they're from thats about it. No cup sizes what so ever. Up until late 60's/early 70's. Apara 18:29, 17 October 2008 (EDT)

This is a tricky one, but something I think would benefit from some (collective?) clarification. I don't think nude models from the 1970s, e.g. from the pages of Mayfair, Playboy, Penthouse, etc., are pin-ups. One of the admins. suggested to me: "The definition of 'pin-up' is pretty vague; my definition would probably go from Maxim-level 'sexy but not nude' photos to Pinup Files-type softcore. (Though I see that I've moved at least one article to 'Modelname (pin-up model)'...)"

I don't necessarily disagree with their remarks, yet they imply that any model in Category:PinupFiles_models ought also to be in Category:Pin-up_models. Currently there are 57 pages in Category:PinupFiles_models, but a search for "PinupFiles models Pin-up" found only 5 pages where both terms were present. Danielle Riley, Maggie Green, and Miriam Gonzalez appear to be the only three to have been put in both categories. Lorna Morgan and Rachel Aldana have not, it's simply that links to their PinupFiles pages have been commented with: "pin-up pictures". I wouldn't regard any of those five as pin-up models.

To me the term is related to era, i.e. these days nude/etc. photography is far more "institutionalised" ("professional" is technically the wrong word because obviously all the models were paid, but perhaps captures some of the right sense/meaning?). Gigi_Frost or Starr_Murphy seems clearly pin-up models, as well perhaps as adult models, whereas Arlene_Bell or Uschi Digard I wouldn't term pin-ups. NB, PinupFiles (the website/company) includes pictures of Uschi Digard, so does that mean she should be in both Category:PinupFiles_models and Category:Pin-up_models? She's currently only in the latter, and I'd possibly remove her from that rather than add her to both. Like Pinupfiles, Danni's occasionally issue "historical" photos, so does that make those models belong to Category:Danni_models? My feeling is no, as the link is only a retrospective one--i.e. it seems quite different from a model who is contracted to be on that site. In theory, some of the models on Danni's might have died before the company was even formed.

Are all Category:Harrison_Marks_models also Category:Pin-up_models? I probably wouldn't include those he photographed in his later years, e.g. the 1970s. There are 31 pages in the former category, but a search for "Harrison Marks models Pin-up" found only 20 matches who may perhaps be in both, one of which was George Harrison Marks himself, leaving just 19. They all seem fine, but are there GHM models who should also be in Pin-ups but currently aren't? I'm not sure how to find them as the search page doesn't seem to apply boolean operators such as "not" or prepending search terms with "-".

Maybe I'm trying to make too firm a line in the sand? And maybe placing it around the beginning of the 1970s is the wrong time? What do other folk think?--Effcup 06:25, 2 May 2012 (EDT)