Template talk:Biobox new

Quick IMDb search

Here's a quick way to see if someone is on IMDb - just copy and paste this to a new window:

http://www.imdb.com/find?s=nm&q=FIRSTNAME+LASTNAME

(of course, don't forget to replace FIRSTNAME and LASTNAME)

If you get results, be sure to confirm it's actually the right person. If it is, supply the ID to the infobox.
-Biguns 14:21, 15 February 2008 (EST)

windows users can get free software called tweak UI from microsoft. it's possible to define custom searches there so that i just type "im SearchTerm" in my address bar and it performs an IMDB search.--Hexvoodoo 20:13, 20 February 2008 (EST)

Standard Boobpedia bra size ("E" vs. "DD")

I'd like to hear your opinions about the bra/cup size field in the new biobox.

The problem was: Models often give their bra size as 34DD which is actually a 34E. That makes it diificult to sort or search the models by bra size. It has already been discussed if Boobpedia should introduce something like a "standard Boobpedia bra size" (can't find the discussion right now). This was given up because of several reasons.

The new biobox now offers the possibility to solve that problem:

It has a new field: bra/cup size. Here's what you can do with it:

• You can enter just DD like before.
  Result:  Bra/cup size:  E  (same as DD cup) . Category "DD cup" is added to the page.
• You can enter the whole bra size using the Bra template:
  {{bra|34|DD}} gives  Bra/cup size:  34E (75E)  (same as DD cup) . Category "DD cup" is added to the page.

As you see, the original cup size (DD) given by the model is preserved and added as a category to the page. No information is lost.

But the new biobox could also add a second cup size category:

• It could add a simple "E cup" to the page which would result in the page being listed under both "E cup" and "DD cup". This could be confusing.
• It could name the second category in a way that marks it as something .like a "standard Boobpedia cup size" which can be clearly defined on the responding category page.
  • People who just love their DDDs and GGs could browse the "normal" cup size categories like before.
  • People who are interested in more comparable standardised cup sizes could browse the "standard Boobpedia cup size" categories.

So:

1. What do you think?
2. How should this category be named? The name shouldn't be too long, perhaps "E cup (Boobpedia standard)". This makes a clear difference to the "normal" cup size in the category list at the bottom of an article.

Regards

Prophecy 07:23, 30 May 2008 (EDT)

Well, I want to say something about the presentation of these elements. I think most people who look at the infobox look for the cup size and not the bra size. But right now it's actually easy to find the bra size and hard to find the cup size ("Original: X"). I think it should be vice versa like in the old infobox. -Biguns 10:59, 1 June 2008 (EDT)

Thanks for your feedback. But the cup size is always there. It's always the letter behind the band size. If a model says she has GG, her cup size is actually H. It's just that the template does not neglect the fictional given cup size too (and GG is fictional, mostly invented by guys at Big Tits Round Asses and such). I saw a few Boobpedia editors changing measurements like DDD to F. The bra size template prevents this. It converts DDD to F, but leaves the DDD intact (and gives a category only for DDD so far). The question is if it should add a category for F too. Marked as "Boobpedia standard" or something like that. Vanessa Montagne put it in nice words: Above all, dancers do that: They make their cup sizes more impressive by making them double or triple. All serious measurement tables say that DDD is F. Prophecy 14:57, 1 June 2008 (EDT)

More types of Performances

Please add these types - I'd do it myself but I'm afraid to break the complicated code (read: the long IF statements):

• solofingering
• lesbianfingering
• fingering
• fingeringmen
• handjobmen

Keep in mind fingering is softcore compared to fisting, so they're really two different things. -Biguns 10:54, 1 June 2008 (EDT)

I have a different opinion. Among many editors there was confusion about what "hardcore" meant. Sometimes they added: Hardcore: Only with women or something like that. But hardcore was meant only as vaginal penetration. There was no field for that, therefore I split the fields up into four clear categories:

Shown: Everything the model shows, without any sexual acts. All the fields were there already, but mixed up with the others. "bush" was not clear. Sometimes a model that happened to have her (closed) pussy shown was tagged with "bush", but some etidors meant "pink" by bush. So I added "pink".

Solo: Solo meant masturbation all the time, but it was not clear. So the Solo section means all sexual acts only done with oneself. "solofingering" clearly falls under this category, which means that it is already there. But you are right, the explanation wasn't clear enough, I added a "fingering herself" to the documentation page for solo.

Lesbian: Any sexual acts between women. As "lesbian" was already there, it now shows "Softcore" which makes it more clear. If there was penetration, lesbian fingering is contained in softcore. If there were dildos, lesbiandildo is there. It's not the question if something is considered hardcore or not, but only: Sexual acts between women.

Boy/girl: Any sexual acts between women and men. Hardcore always meant "Vaginal penetration". If not, there wouldn't have been a field named "anal". This was not clear to many editors, so now it clearly shows Boy/girl: Vaginal or Boy/girl: Anal. You are right, there is no field for "fingering with a man" or "Softcore with men", but I think that would become to fine a differentiation. As for handjob, I don't know. Is this an important category?

I only tried to preserve the old fields so that no data is lost or now appears under a false category. The rest was to categorise it and add fields in the other sections if there weren't any. Prophecy 15:15, 1 June 2008 (EDT)

P. S.: "I'd do it myself but I'm afraid to break the complicated code (read: the long IF statements)" That's why the template got a sandbox. You can experiment with the code there without changing the original code and try it out with various examples in the testcases. As the original template will be protected, the sandbox will be the only way to experiment anyway. I thought it was a good idea to import this principle from wikipedia. Every time a template has a sandbox or testcases, it is shown at the top of the page (like for {{Biobox new}}. Feel free to try things out there, but be aware that other users can experiment there too and overwrite your code. Prophecy 15:32, 1 June 2008 (EDT)

You're right about self fingering being the very definition of female masturbation, but why does lesbianfisting deserve its own category whereas lesbianfingering does not? As for handjobs given to men, I guess it's as good as any category, especially if that's the most she has done on films.

Also, I think you're wrong about the defition of hardcore. I think it should stand for "visual organs". Otherwise it would be the same solo/anal=yes for a PG-13 sex comedy and something more adult oriented. -Biguns 20:25, 1 June 2008 (EDT)

selffingering: consensus

lesbianfisting/lesbianfingering: lesbianfingering is softcore and included in "lesbian". I could not introduce another parameter, because lesbian is used on so many pages which would become wrong. But on all of these pages "lesbian" was generally used as minimum = softcore. If someone finds now that a model has done more than softcore, he can add "lesbiandildo" and "lesbianfisting". The idea of adding fisting was just mine, as it is somewhat harder than all other stuff and a reader can clearly see if the model is more "mainstream" or extreme. As there is a distinction between the "lesbian" and "boy/girl" sections now, I had to add the category to both of them.

handjob: I see your point, but I'd like to hear other opinions on this. If a majority thinks handjob is worth being included, I'll do it.

hardcore: I'm just following the most frequent use of this field on Boobpedia and on other sites like forums: "Has she done hardcore?" The most frequent question, and they always mean "Is she being fucked by a man in some scene?". Same reason as for lesbian: I could not introduce another parameter and let this one become deprecated because it was already used on so many pages. I agree that lesbian fisting is hardcore too, but i had to make a choice. If you look at a new biobox added to an existing page now, "Boy/girl: Vaginal" is always right, because the reader thought exactly of this.

"Lesbian" and "Hardcore" were (re-)defined this way, because it is the minimum consensus and does not turn any existing page wrong. Like I said: If there's more the model has done, it can always be added afterwards. But the new biobox does not show something the model has not done. Prophecy 20:51, 1 June 2008 (EDT)

Here are three more type suggetions:

• blowjobfromman = currently she can only give one
• blowjobfromwoman = currently such a thing can only be put as lesbian=yes (which displays as softcore)
• blowjobtowoman = currently such a thing can only be put as lesbian=yes (which displays as softcore) -Biguns 06:31, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

Categories

The categories pose a problem. For example, just because someone did one bondage scene (maybe even in a mainstream role), now she's a "bondage model"? -Biguns 10:55, 1 June 2008 (EDT)

Yes, exactly. Just like "Bukkake models" wich was already existent befpre. The definition is on the category page: "Models and porn stars who have appeared in a bukkake scene." There are quite a few models there that are really not pure bukkake models. I just followed the terminus that was used: specialty + "models" to keep it consistent. I think that is clear. Besides, the article text should mention more about the model so that the reader can see what she does "normally." Prophecy 14:50, 1 June 2008 (EDT)

Pink

Wikitionary defines "pink" as nothing more than a slang word for a vulva. What did you mean by spread? Just zoomed up very close or what? -Biguns 20:34, 1 June 2008 (EDT)

No, it's an abbreviation for "pink shot": lips spread by fingers. For models and photographers, "pink shot" is clearly defined like this. A nude shot is pussy without fingers, not spread, a pink shot is pussy exposed and opened/spread by fingers. I wrote this on the documentation page for the parameter "pink": Has she done "pink" shots, i. e. shown spread labia? Prophecy 20:54, 1 June 2008 (EDT)

So please add "by fingers" there too. -Biguns 09:32, 2 June 2008 (EDT)

Done. Prophecy 03:31, 3 June 2008 (EDT)

Is it trully only by her own fingers (i.e. masturbation)? -Biguns 05:39, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

Maturbation means if she rubs her clit or whatever else... -> solo. Pink shots are really only spread pussies displayed. The typical solo model shoots where she doesn't just sit there, but shows what she's got - you see the inside of her lips, because she spreads them with her fingers -> pink. Prophecy 07:04, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

News site

Hi, Prophecy. Fuko has just started an official news site at http://fuko.tv/ . Not sure what to label it in the template... I'm calling it "Homepage" for now, though the blog site is really her homepage. Dekkappai 13:30, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

Why not... It's named "official site", so it's ok to enter it there. She can have an official blog and an official site. :-) If you find that it is somewhat inappropriate to have the link listed as "Official homepage", you can move it to "External links", but I'm sure that other editors will move it back to the homepage field again as it is named "official site. Prophecy 16:43, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

I guess I just got used to thinking of her blog as the official site. If Fuko-chan says this is her official site now... I'm not one to argue with a lady! Dekkappai 18:14, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

As we are talking about links to her websites - this might be of interest for you: I wrote a Google translation template. As many of your links lead to Japanese sites, you could add a link to an (automatic) Google translation if you want. {{Google translation}} does this for you. Example for Fuko:

{{google translation | http://fuko.tv | ja}}

gives

Google translation.

Please note that this template cannot be used for the homepage parameter in the biobox, as a normal link with http:// is expected. But you could use it in the External links sections of your pages. That's what I often do with websites of models that are not written in English: Provide the "normal" link in the Biobox and add the link plus Google translation in the External links section. I've even implemented it in {{Cite web}} and the other Citation templates now:

{{cite web | title=Fuko's website | url=http://fuko.tv | accessdate=2008-06-04| language=Japanese | google=ja}}

gives

Fuko's website (Japanese). Retrieved on 2008-06-04. (Google translation).

So you can easily use it in your references, too, without having to add the {{Google translation}} template at all. See documentations of {{Cite web}} and {{Google translation}} for further details.

Regards

Prophecy 08:51, 5 June 2008 (EDT)

What about Facebook?

Is there any way please to insert into the template a facebook link? --Oren neu dag 20:16, 9 April 2009 (EDT)