User talk:Apara

June Palmer

I deleted the article because it was just one sentence ("June Palmer was an British adult model from 1950's till early 1970's.") and had no picture, biobox, or other info. But I was prompted by your message to create an article using the Wikipedia article on her. Sorry for any inconvenience or confusion I may have caused! The Honorable 21:41, 30 January 2008 (EST)

Models

Hi Apara,

just wanted to let you know that I appreciate your efforts in promiting all these fine pin-up classic ladies. They make Boobpedia more complete.

Regards

Prophecy

Harrison Marks

Hi Apara,

I saw that you support my efforts to establish the photographers on Boobpedia too. :-) However, I changed your category so that Harrison Marks now has his own page and is listed in the category Photographers.

Creating a photographer's page is quite simple, there are only three steps to be followed, see: Help:Creating a photographer page.

I also replaced [[Harrison Marks]] with {{photographer|Harrison Marks}} using the photographer template when his name was mentioned within the text of an article. This automatically adds his category to the article and displays always current data if something changes.

Regards

Prophecy 09:39, 7 May 2008 (EDT)

New biobox

Hi Apara,

it's still under development. If I am working on it, it can have unexpected effects if you use it on a page of yours. But it's close to being finished. It preserves full downward compatibility, so you can easily test how it looks like on one of your pages by adding "new" after the word "biobox". ({{biobox new...}}

But I recommend that you do not use it unless I have written the whole documentation page. It as a lot of new features which will all be explained on this page. If the new biobox is approved by the admins, they can change the biobox template itself by copying my code, and I will just redirect my template to the "official" biobox. This way all Boobpedia pages will have the new biobox, and you won't have to change a thing.

Feel free to test my new biobox and tell me if you discover something that doesn't work properly or if you have suggestions.

Regards

Prophecy 15:10, 28 May 2008 (EDT)

New biobox ready for testing.

My new biobox is now ready and fully documented. It has a lot of new features and several fixes of known problems. See Template:Biobox new and also Template talk:Biobox new. It can easily be applied to existing pages by changing the {{Biobox to {{Biobox new at the beginning of an article. It is fully downward compatible: All old data and functionality is preserved.

You can see the new biobox "in action" on Natalia Mühlhausen, Michaela Schaffrath or Ulorin Vex, for example.

Feel free to test and use it on your pages and tell me if something isn't working right or if you have suggestions. If the new biobox becomes "official", you won't have to change anything in your pages as my new biobox will redirect to the "official" one in that case.

Regards

Prophecy 08:24, 30 May 2008 (EDT)

Removing categories

Hi Apara,

thanks for removing "large areolas" from so many model pages. I thought I was the only one who disagreed about the labelling of 80% of the articles with this category.

Regards

Prophecy 03:54, 5 June 2008 (EDT)

It's as if we were working together... :-)

We have something new! Go to Today's birthdays and have a look whom you can send a happy birthday email. :-)

Regards

Prophecy 03:59, 6 June 2008 (EDT)

Thanks again...

...for reverting the more-than-dubious cup size changes of Msjayhawk. I often did not check if he had changed something on the page when I added the new biobox. That's why I introduced {{Boobref}} and the other citation templates. I think we'd have less trouble if we got used to provide sources for such important things (at least on a page called Boobpedia) like cup and bra size. I'll ask Honorable to remove the sentence on the help page that you can judge by your eye if you do not have data. Prophecy 23:21, 8 June 2008 (EDT)

Discussion

Hi Apara,

there's a discussion going on about unsourced statements, wrong cup sizes and categories. I'd be very thankful if you joined and left a comment here.

Thanks and regards

Prophecy 18:34, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

Biobox hybrid

Hi Apara,

please do not apply the new biobox to articles with "biobox hybrid" (Arkadia and Gréta Istvándi). The "Other activities" section in these bioboxes is destroyed otherwise. I'll adapt the new biobox later so that it can handle these cases.

Thanks and regards

Prophecy 00:57, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

Thanks...

Hi Apara, thanks for the link. Unfortunately it displays the same for EU and Japanese cup sizes. And it's true: If you really want to buy a bra in Japan, the sizes are exactly the same. But as or the Japanese big bust pictorials, the cup sizes seem to become pure fiction. I guess these Japanese photographers and companies have a simple rule: Add 6 cup sizes and call it "metric" :-)))) If I compare a Japanese "H metric" breast with a European one, I'd only estimate it a D cup or so... I guess we'll never explore this secret... Prophecy 20:30, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

Vanessa Del

Hi Apara,

I saw that you added a band size of 36 to Vanessa. Where did you find it? I only saw her mentioned as having 44JJJ (which is not correct, we both know that, because 44 is her overall bust measurement). Did you calculate the 36?

Regards

Prophecy 22:45, 12 June 2008 (EDT)

Hey, now this is cool, so they finally changed the bra size to a real band size + cup... Prophecy 23:03, 12 June 2008 (EDT)

Band sizes

In general (assuming that DD=E, DDD=F and so on), one can say that it's like this:

• band size 34
• cup size D (fourth letter of alphabet)
• bust measurement 34+4 = 38

It's a bit more complicated, see http://www.pamperedpassions.com/bra_sizing.html.

I did this calculation for Aki Tomosaki. If you have real bust and real underbust measurements, it's possible. But be careful. Most American models give their bra size instead of their real bust measurement, example: 34D-24-35. Therefore it is not correct that Biguns always deletes the D in the measurements field. The model's bust measurement is not 34, but most likely 38.

But as I said: Be careful. I only use calculated sizes if I mention and explain it in the text of the article (like in the footnote of Aki Tomosaki). I would not be right to just do it without citing or mentioning it.

Regards

Prophecy 23:27, 12 June 2008 (EDT)

September

Oh, this is interesting. I did not see any lines going through anything? Could you tell me exactly which lines and where they crossed other elements? Which browser do you use? I thought display would be the same on every browser... For me, it did not make any difference with any lines if the pic had 160 or 180 px, because all lines started below the picture. The only change was that the pic was bigger.

Please tell me what you see on your screen.

Thanks and regards

Prophecy 07:56, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

Huh! That means every single header that is left from a biobox on Boobpedia crosses the biobox? Only the new one or the old biobox too? This is not typical. Normally the biobox lies over all other elemtents, and the lines end at the frame of the biobox.

But why did making the picture bigger change that? The headers were still left of the biobox, and should still cross it? Prophecy 08:09, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

If this was also the case with the old biobox, it seems to be a general problem. Perhaps you should address to the admins and tell them about it? It's not nice that a great part of the Boobpedia articles do not seem to be displayed properly in some browsers... Prophecy 22:43, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

48 bra size

Hi Apara,

we have to divide this into two cases:

• Virginia Bell has a slim body. Her bust measurement (and I mean the "real" bust measurement) can well be 48 inches, that means the size around her breasts. But bra sizes do not care about the bust measurements, it's the band size underneath the breasts that counts. We do not have this measurement, so the entry in the biobox cannot be completed. As a general rule, the band size is roughly the bust size minus the letter (DDD = F = 6th letter of the alphabet). This would give a band size of 42 - which is still (pardon me) fat. Virginia Bell is not fat. So we have to doubt either the 48 or the DDD. That's the problem with triple letters - they are the most incorrect measurement for cups. She may have a band size 38 (for comparison: Miosotis has 38), but not more. You see, Miosotis is already more chubby than Virginia Bell. So we have to leave the biobox entries as they are - we do not have proper information.
• Karola - that's a case of its own... Her bust measurement really seems to be beyond everything the world has seen, and she is really really chubby - if not fat, without wanting to insult anyone. But: See Category:Bra size and look at the models with a band size of 44 or 46. They are really chubby already, and I've looked through many online bra stores if a band size of 46 does exist - it does, but it was the last one that existed. We do not have a proper reference, so I let the 48 stay in the text, but did not enter it in the biobox. Her overall bust measurement can easily be more than 48, but if her ban size is really 48 - I doubt it.

So I'd like to leave the bra size template as it is - this prevents user of giving incorrect bra sizes (some models say they have 38D breasts - but actually they have 34D and an overall bust size of 38. If too big numbers are allowed, the risk of storing incorrect data, because a user just entered what he read becomes quite high.

That's why I'd like to not change the bra size template. Or do you have another opinion (or a reference for Karola)? But I think it was Virginia Bell who was in your mind. Well, for her I can surely tell you that she never has a band size of 48. Unfortunately, band sizes weren't asked for at that time...

Regards

Prophecy 12:13, 3 July 2008 (EDT)

References

I'd like to invite you to take part in a discussion that User:Prophecy, User:The Honorable, and I have been having, about the layout of model articles. I've Consolidated everything here: Help_talk:How_should_the_articles_be_written

Drducker 04:49, 7 July 2008 (EDT)

Server Problems

Hi Apara,

it was my fault. I was saving a high use template which brings the server down for some minutes. I saw no one around, so I thought I could save it. Sorry for that. If I had seen you, I'd have told you.

Prophecy 23:28, 14 July 2008 (EDT)

Oh, there's a solution to that. I experience that sometimes too; I then get a "zero sized reply" form the server, with a blank page, even if I did not save a template. The back button in your browser always works. If you experience this, go back, copy the text you wrote from the edit field to the clipboard and try again. If the cache is corrupted or you do not manage to save (or preview) the page, you can always re-paste the code from the clipboard or whereever you stored it.

Prophecy 00:21, 15 July 2008 (EDT)

Oh, yes, thanks for the idea. I know this page; some day I discovered the special pages and browsed through them... It helped me a lot when I was searching for the last pages linking to the old biobox, for example. Concerning the templates: Well, to be frank, there are less really unused than one might think:

• Every template with /sandbox or /testcases at the end means that these are trial pages to experiment with the code before implementing it to the original template. It's normal that they are not used (they shouldn't even be used), but they are very important. It's the saving of a high-use template that causes extreme server action (you experienced it already, unfortunately), and it's the sandboxes where you can edit a little thing, save it with no consequences for server and existing pages and see how it looks in the testcases. Sandboxes and testcases do take server space, yes, but only a few kB, and the do not cause any server load. It's the calculating when a page with many templates is called from the server or when a high-use template is saved and the server tries to replace the template in all existing pages which causes the annoying server load and delays.
• Most of the other templates that sound technical are redirects to existing and used templates. I created those readirects to jake it easier for some users who might prefer another spelling. Again, these redirects do not cause server load, they only take a little server space.
• All the templates with "pornographic" names are affiliate links. On some days, I noticed the Honorable in real template creation orgies (again an orgy :-)), but I think it's necessary to have them, because they keep Boobpedia going. Well, the fact that they are not used means they don't produce money, but, like the other unused templates, they are very tiny and only take space, not load.

The idea with the unused templates was good, but as I thought of it, I found that they are not the problem. We seem to have enough disk space, but limited calculation capacities. That's why I started to create templates for each photographer. These are single templates and they are only called once - unlike the {{Nationality}} template, which is called by each and every biobox and checks all 66 countries even if only one single country is needed. I'll apply the photographer system to the nationalities. This will produce 66 new templates, but it will extremely help to save calculation time, because each template is only called once and only checks one single country. And when a new country is added, it's not necessary anymore to save the main template - which means that there will be no more server crashes like the one you experienced.

Huh, this answer has become a bit long, hope I did not bore you... :-)

Regards

Prophecy 02:08, 19 July 2008 (EDT)

Great work!

Hi, Apara-- I just wanted to let you know I appreciate your work on the classy, classic pin-up models of the '50s and '60s. This kind of work gives BP a real historical perspective-- besides the obvious aesthetic value of the images of the models themselves. If Japan didn't have such a thriving big-bust industry these days, I'd probably be working in your category :-) Keep up the good work! Regards. Dekkappai 18:37, 27 July 2008 (EDT)

I'm an older guy, so a lot of the models you're working on are from the era of my youth :-) If you need help on a Japanese subject, you know who to contact! Point me to an image or link, and I'll do what I can. (I can also get by in Korean-- I just wish their adult entertainment industry were as well organized as Japan's.) Cheers! Dekkappai 21:10, 27 July 2008 (EDT)

Harrison Marks

Hi, Apara-- Sorry, wish I could be of help. My interest was always pretty set in Asia/Japan. I do know a little about Russ Meyer, and will try to work on his articles, but I know almost nothing of Harrison Marks, except the name, and a vague impression that he was something of a British version of our own Russ Meyer... A quick Google search brought up this: http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/60sglamdatabase/APP1.htm but you've probably already located that site. I'll keep my eyes open for info on Marks though-- I think I've got a scan or two of his films... I'll let you know if I find them... Anyway, good luck! Dekkappai 01:38, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Hi again Apara-- I found one of those Marks images: Image:Naked as Nature Intended (1961).jpg. I'm pretty sure I have another one stored away somewhere... The Naked World of Harrison Marks or something like that... Cheers! Dekkappai 21:57, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Bunny Yeager

Hi Apara,

cool work with Bunny Yeager! I just fixed a few things in the template. The most important thing is: Do not delete the "includeonly" stuff, delete only the # signs. I changed the documentation text a little bit so that it's clearer now. Perhaps you may want to give me some feedback it it's more understandable like this.

Regards

Prophecy 07:31, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

Sorry I did not complete the documentation for all three types of the biobox template. But I saw that you already found the hybrid type yourself. :-) You may notice that I removed a few occupations, i. e. all performer occupations from the biobox of BUnny Yeager. That's because in the category header, the field is listed directly after the occupation. Bunny Yeager did not pose nude, but if the last occupation in her list is "Glamour model", readers might think so. The same for Suze Randall, who did nude shots, but no hardcore, but her header implied that. So, as a general rule (which I just invented, because I just noticed the need): Blue non-performer fields do not contain performer occupations like model, porn star and such. :-)

Thanks for your nice contribution and for testing my how-to page!

Prophecy 08:15, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

No, it said: Do not change parameters below this line! :-) But you are right, I could add comments in the template that make it clearer. About Uschi: Hm... I'm probably the wrong person to address to. I'm terribly bad when it comes to recognition of faces! Oh, but I started a quick Google search on "uschi digard" "bunny yeager". Result: Many finds of "Bunny Yeagers Foto File Number Three" in connection with the full name of Uschi Digard. I did not click on the links, you may want to verify that. But you are probably right that it's Uschi Digard. Prophecy 06:27, 1 August 2008 (EDT)

Irving Klaw

Hi Apara,

it's nice to see that people start creating photographer pages now! Very nice article, and I saw that the creation of the categories worked well too.

Only one thing: Please do not delete the whole includeonly tags from the template when creating it! Only remove the four # signs, that's all. :-)

Regards

Prophecy 08:12, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

Swiss

Look again. :-)

Reason: I took the nationality template (wich was displaying the flags) out of the bioboxes for the moment, because it was causing too much server load in its present form. The template linked directly to the category, so the link was blue. The reduced interim solution links only to a page. Most nationalities have pages that redirect to them, but Swiss hadn't. I created it, so the link will be blue now.

As soon as I have restructured the nationality template, the flags and the direct links to the categories will reappear.

Regards

Prophecy 20:32, 5 August 2008 (EDT)

Clearall / Clearleft

Hi, Apara. I put in the Clearall because I get the filmography tables writing over the bioboxes on my home computer. I don't get this on other computers. The Clearall fixes that, but the Clearleft doesn't... But if I'm the only one seeing this, and if Clearall messes it up for everyone else, maybe we should just leave it? Dekkappai 03:06, 8 August 2008 (EDT)

Ah, by the way - {{Clearleft}} did not work because it simply did not exist.

Did.

I just created it. You can use it now, works the same as <br clear="left"/>, but is easier to use. Prophecy 10:55, 8 August 2008 (EDT)

Already at it again

You just cant help yourself can you!!

Right I'm at it again. Clearly, you can't take a hint. First of all, you rename my talk and main page to "maricon". How original, apparently I'm a "faggot" now because I reverted your changes? Yeah I don't think so, you were banned for a reason. But you had to create a new username and continue to disrupt the project. How childish of you. What's going to make you stop? It was cleary said, for you to stop your actions. But yet, you continued and look what happened. Now you take it out on me? I don't have time for immaturity. Apara 04:22, 13 August 2008 (EDT)