User talk:Prophecy

Citing

Actually, my citations are pretty basic, especially compared with Dekkappai's. :) The Honorable 01:16, 12 April 2008 (EDT)

I just wanted to let you know that you're doing a fine job. The article on Arkadia, for one, is very nicely done. The Honorable 21:39, 17 April 2008 (EDT)

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Thank you! It was my first article. I don't know how these talk pages work so far, so this is a test. I hope you get my reply.

Hm... I got here because I'm often using Boobpedia as a reference for my Natural Big Tits Directory I'm running on FreeOnes:

Current version (may be followed by newer posts in the future): http://board.freeones.com/showthread.php?p=2107943#post2107943

As you can see, I have listed many many models who aren't on Boobpedia yet, so now that I managed to write my first article, I hope that I'll find the time to write more. I only have to take care that I do not make circle references. :-)

I have an important question/suggestion:

What always struck me is that Boobpedia hasn't got a category for "Bra size". It's always difficult to add a bra size (consisting of band and cup size) to an article, because it doesn't really fit in the "measurements" entry, and in "cup size" it's not correct either. But I think it's very important. A woman wearing a 40D bra hasn't got really big breasts compared with her overall body measurements, but a 32D cup can be considered as quite big. So my suggestion is:

Why not make a template for the bra size? (I don't know how to do this so far) The cup size can be included in this template, so it remains searchable. Something like:

{ { brasize|band=34|cup=D } }

The band size can remain optional (if possible), so if people only know the cup size, they can just enter the cup size.

This way we could avoid all the various entries in the "measurements" field. Correct data for a woman with a 34D bra would be for example:

measurements: 38-26-36 (with no cup or bra size added)

bra size: 34D (because 34 + D as fourth letter makes 38, following the generally known method to calculate a bra size which Boobpedia lists itself)

People could still enter "free" data if they are not familiar with bra sizes, but for those who like to be correct, the bra size template would help a lot. I think a page named "boobpedia" should offer this possibility.

Regards

Prophecy

I'll have to think about that, as I'm not sure I understand bra sizes well enough to do something like that yet. :) Also, I've taken bnarod.ru off the spamfilter for now -- I assume they're just a free hosting site? The Honorable 09:13, 19 April 2008 (EDT)

Thanks for Rimma! I just edited the page now. As for the bra sizes: Perhaps I'll make a suggestion when I know how to do templates. Or am I not allowed to define one as a normal user? --Prophecy 14:09, 19 April 2008 (EDT)

Sure, regular users can create templates too. I suggest studying Wikipedia's templates -- since there are so many, there's bound to be something there that you can build on. The Honorable 01:32, 20 April 2008 (EDT)

Biobox

I've added ModelMayhem (and YouTube) to the biobox; just add modelmayhem=whatever-their-id-number-is. The Honorable 13:39, 20 April 2008 (EDT)

This is great, thank you! Just a little thing: Model Mayhem is written in two words (see top banner at their page, only the URL is written in one word. Would be nice if you adapted this in the biobox text (ModelMayhem -> Model Mayhem). Thanks! Prophecy 15:52, 20 April 2008 (EDT)

Quotations

Italicized quotes are fine. Personally, I prefer indented but non-italicized, but italicized quotes are so common here and on Wikipedia that it's pointless for me to singlehandedly try and change things. :) The Honorable 19:22, 21 April 2008 (EDT)

FreeOnes

Either of your suggestions is fine. I don't think FreeOnes has an affiliate program of their own; I always assumed they were mostly a collection of affiliate links to other sites. Not that there's anything wrong with that... The Honorable 21:53, 23 April 2008 (EDT)

Redirects

For identical/similar names that are uncommon, like Samantha Fox, I usually do a disambiguation page à la Wikipedia. For common first names, disambiguation pages probably wouldn't get kept up to date, so I've been moving articles about, say, "Jane," to "Jane (example.com)" and deleting the redirect, so that someone searching for "Jane" gets the search result, and not just whichever Jane happened to get their article at Jane. (If I'm not explaining this well, let me know. :) The Honorable 20:44, 24 April 2008 (EDT)

• That's exactly how I would handle similar/identical names. Ideally there would be *some* way to differentiate multiple Isabellas; if there's only one who's well known as just "Isabella," "Isabella (adult model)" might work as an article title. Also, how many SuicideGirls have "common" names? Reagan and Apnea come to mind... :)

Japanese bra sizes

Thanks, Prophecy-- Actually, I'd seen your work in this area and was about to leave a comment. Sorry, I don't know how the Japanese sizes convert-- My wife is Korean, and they use A-B-C over there for cup-sizes, but metric for the measurements. (B was the highest commonly-available size at local shops when I lived there, so my wife had to make her lingerie purchases around the U.S. posts ;-). One thing I wanted to point out about the Japanese though is that they give an upper-bust, and an under-bust measurement, which is the ribcage. (This would be very useful in calculating actual boobage-- and I remember for a short time in the late '80s there was a time when magazines would give a difference between the two in their statistics). For example THIS profile of Aki Tomosaki gives her bust measurement (100cm) and then cup-underbust measurement (G-cup, 70cm). This is a fairly common way of listing measurements-- especially with the bustier models-- so implementing it in your template might be a good idea. Sorry I couldn't be more help in this fascinating area of research, but I encourage you to continue, and will take time to look into your template and its usage. Cheers! Dekkappai 18:26, 30 April 2008 (EDT)

I'm looking around Google for some help here, Prohphecy-- THIS might help you out. Dekkappai 18:40, 30 April 2008 (EDT)

Thanks, Prophecy-- Feel free to add your template to the articles. The G/H-cup difference in Aki Tomosaki's profile is probably because I got the H off another profile. I believe in sticking pretty close to the sources, but if one source is more accurate than another, feel free to use the correct one. If the official profile is "incorrect," though-- I think like John Ford in The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance-- "When the legend becomes fact, print the legend." If "fact" differs from the profile, I say we still put the profile measurement in the article, maybe with a note as to its accuracy... No big deal to me either way though. Dekkappai 19:03, 30 April 2008 (EDT)

No-- that G does mean cup-size in Aki Tomosaki's profile. I don't know where I got the H, maybe a video cover... Right-- Fuko's P-cup is a publicity gimmick. Ran Masaki probably pioneered the bust-size exaggeration in Japan. I think the bust-exaggeration really started with Kimiko Matsuzaka's "110.7" centimeters, which was a typographical pun on "ii onna"-- "Good woman." Then the cup-exaggeration thing really started with Mariko Morikawa's "Q-cup", which was, no doubt, a take-off on the old Ultra-Q TV science-fiction show, the precursor to Ultra Man. I guess companies need their gimmicks to sell, but all these models are perfectly lovely as is, without the hype. A Fuko by any other cup-letter would be just as sweet... :) OK, I have to log off for the day-- keep up the good work! Dekkappai 19:38, 30 April 2008 (EDT)

Bra size template

Allow me to give you a hearty "holy crap!" :) Nice job.

I can protect the template from being edited, but this would lock you out too (of course, Hexvoodoo or I could unlock it for you if you needed to edit it). Let me know if you do want it protected, and it will be done. The Honorable 21:08, 30 April 2008 (EDT)

Metric / U.S. bras

Hi Prophecy-- I've noticed a couple of the Japanese subjects have the Metric (G, for example) cup-size in the infobox, and then the U.S. size ("D cup") at the bottom under categories. This seems a good compromise on the situation, since they're known by their metric measurements to fans of the genre, and U.S. fans, just looking for a nice, Japanese D-cup, can still find them by browsing the category. Sound OK? Dekkappai 16:53, 2 May 2008 (EDT)

Engrish

Tragically, yes, I am a native English speaker. Who hasn't been getting enough sleep lately. :) The Honorable 23:55, 2 May 2008 (EDT)

Heading titles

Your article format is fine. I don't have a strong preference for what to call the section of the article about posing in front of a camera, but you raise a good point about "Career" being too broad. My Naughty Alysha changes were due to sloppy reverting, not because of any preference about the section title. The Honorable 10:21, 3 May 2008 (EDT)

You're right about the italics; I missed the italics on "RadioX." With regards to the photographer stuff, a biobox just for photographers might be a good idea. What are your plans with the {{photographer}} template? The Honorable 20:12, 3 May 2008 (EDT)

Instead of a biobox just for photographers, I've been thinking about a general "non-performers" biobox that could also be used for directors, artists, etc. Also, you've done some impressive work on the photographer templates, though I worry that you're getting carried away from the main point of Boobpedia, i.e., boobs, and their owners. :) The Honorable 13:46, 4 May 2008 (EDT)

My idea for the nonperformer biobox is to use a cut-down version of the regular biobox -- taking out measurements, what sex acts they've performed on camera :) , etc. That way, if they do go in front of the camera, an editor can change the template name from [currently-untitled-biobox] to biobox, add the new fields, and it's done. The Honorable 14:58, 4 May 2008 (EDT)

Media licensing

For Creative Commons photos, I would upload it with "none selected" for the license, and then add the appropriate CC info. Also, I'll see if we can add Creative Commons as a proper menu option. The Honorable 20:51, 5 May 2008 (EDT)

• Choosing "none selected" doesn't add a template, like the other options do. If you add the CC license information in the summary, or go back and add it after uploading, all should be fine. The Honorable 18:47, 6 May 2008 (EDT)

Pin up models

Thanks Prophecy, I try my best what I can gather and share it here on Boobpedia. I'm sure everyone here appreciates my work, but thanks for the acknowledgement.-Apara 20:32, 6 May 2008 (EDT)

Angelique

I tend to agree with you -- I think the biobox photo should be representative of how they are best known. But I'll let you and Biguns sort it out. :) The Honorable 15:04, 7 May 2008 (EDT)

Angelique photo

Where can I find the photo spread of Angelique in latex? I like all of the work you have done to her page! Msjayhawk 21:28, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

Home page

I had to call it something, and that was the first thing that came to mind. :) How about "official website"? The Honorable 16:46, 7 May 2008 (EDT)

Specifically assigning a color for the table header seems to work. I put in #ccc just to get a different color, but you can play with the color if you want. The Honorable 22:19, 7 May 2008 (EDT)

Steve Diet Goedde bio

It looks like the Wikipedia bio is mostly plagiarized from his site. I would suggest stripping it down to something more basic until an original bio can be written. The Honorable 19:57, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

photographer categorization

hi prophecy. i wasn't able to work on boobpedia for some time, so i'm just now catching up. i have seen your work on putting photographer categories in model pages. may i suggest that these categories be named slightly differently. for example, from Category:James Bertoni to Category:James Bertoni models, and James Bertoni to James Bertoni models. we have done this for directors, and it's best to keep things consistent. it's also less confusing than having just a male name as a category. --Hexvoodoo 19:59, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

tables

I think that's caused by Wikipedia and Boobpedia using different CSS. You'd have to ask Hexvoodoo, because my CSS knowledge is limited, and I don't think I have access to stylesheets here anyway. :)

There's no policy here about table formatting -- Big Naturals has internal borders (sort of). The Honorable 16:07, 18 May 2008 (EDT)

Vanessa (Montagne)

I don't know. I've asked on Vanessa's user page. The Honorable 19:45, 21 May 2008 (EDT)

• Good detective work. The Honorable 20:29, 22 May 2008 (EDT)

If Vanessa deletes the information again without explanation, I'll block the account from editing. That should get her(?) attention. The Honorable 13:31, 26 May 2008 (EDT)

nude model redirection

since there are many articles that use the nude model redirection, and it has always been used in place of adult model, i don't think we should redirect that to fine art nude models. in fact, we probably shouldn't change the redirect for nude either, to keep things consistent. in cases where we are referring to fine art nudes we can expressly state that. --Hexvoodoo 16:39, 22 May 2008 (EDT)

there are a lot of current articles using nude model - see Special:Whatlinkshere/Nude_model. --Hexvoodoo 16:46, 22 May 2008 (EDT)

even though all of them could be changed, i don't think we should. most people outside the fine arts community think nude model is the same as adult model, and it's also very descriptive to add "art" or "artistic" for links where they are supposed to go to fine art nude model. --Hexvoodoo 16:50, 22 May 2008 (EDT)

yes the category themselves don't need work, but the very fact that we have so many instances of nude model referring to adult models signifies that they are commonly (mis)understood as the same thing. academically you may be right, but realistically we have to follow the masses. in places where you want nude or nude model to go to fine art nude models, it's not a bad idea to add art or fine art to the terms anyway. --Hexvoodoo 16:58, 22 May 2008 (EDT)

for one, sometimes an editor uses nude model to break up the monotony of saying adult model all the time. secondly, it's not really about a battle of the percentages. it doesn't have to be 50 50 in usage for us to consider the two terms as equivalents. thirdly, i know that you are willing to do the work, but i always have to consider the impact this has on the project and the visitors. while it only helps to add art or artistic as descriptive terms, redirecting all "nude" or "nude model" to fine art nude models has the potential to confuse readers. i don't think these terms should have their redirections changed. --Hexvoodoo 17:12, 22 May 2008 (EDT)

one last point for consideration is this google trends. there are several times more searches for nude model than for adult model. since it's obvious that more people search for porn than fine art nudes, the masses do in fact consider nude as a porn/adult term. --Hexvoodoo 17:18, 22 May 2008 (EDT)

i like your last idea. that should work well. --Hexvoodoo 17:28, 22 May 2008 (EDT)

is there a way to show that message only when someone gets to that page through the nude model redirection? right now it's there even when visiting adult models directly. --Hexvoodoo 17:59, 22 May 2008 (EDT)

Biobox

I've added the BGAFD to the biobox.

Also, any suggestions for the biobox layout are welcome. There are probably better and more compact ways to present the information; it's just a matter of someone figuring it out. The Honorable 21:28, 22 May 2008 (EDT)

.svg

That's Hexvoodoo's area -- I don't have access to any of that stuff. The Honorable 18:03, 23 May 2008 (EDT)

Test biobox categories

You could comment out the categories in your test biobox...

<!-- [[Category:YouTube]] -->

...and then re-enable them when you need to test them. The Honorable 16:41, 24 May 2008 (EDT)

Height template

Done. Be sure to let me know when you're done tweaking it. The Honorable 21:03, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

New biobox

I haven't played with it much yet, but so far it looks good. The Honorable 13:23, 31 May 2008 (EDT)

I'm missing the field 'measurements'. Has it been removed? bnatic

Image:Question book-new.gif

Where did you get Image:Question book-new.gif? I'm assuming it's a free-use type of icon, but we need to know its source. (Fair-use claims probably won't work for navigation icons). The Honorable 19:56, 1 June 2008 (EDT)

Re:Filmography at Fuko's and other pages.

Thanks for the note on my work, Prophecy. I've noticed that you are working quite hard on templates formats, etc. but because of my extremely limited time here, I haven't been able to see exactly what it is you-- or the other editors here-- are doing. I took a look at the new biobox just now and I think it looks great! The more we can get away from Wikipedia-type formatting and into formatting specifically suited to Boobpedia, the better I think.

If you follow my editing history, you'll notice I don't contribute for a day or so, then I add to articles in a frenzy within a half-hour or hour at the most. This is because I have no home Internet connection, and my time for BP-safe editing is extremely limited. I do most of my real article-writing off-line at home, then in the hour I have during the day, I upload that work, and then do my researching and image-searching, which I work through later at home. This is the reason my editing may not be in synch with what is going on here at Boobpedia. I'm mostly feeling my way in the dark-- just making up these table formats, citation styles, etc., on my own as I go along. I contribute more to work-safe Wikipedia, in similar subject matter-- Japanese erotic cinema-- so I model a lot my work here around that-- with the exception that images are tolerated here, especially in the filmography tables. I don't have time to read through BP rules and guidelines, or even other editors' work... I would like to, but I can't. If you point me to any key guidelines or formats, I'll copy the info and study it at home to use in my own editing. As far as making a general BP-wide standard table format-- I think it's a fine idea. You can get see what format I have come up with during my work here from some of my recent work at these articles like Saori Sekihara, Boku no Oppai, or Rin Aoki. I'm open to suggestions on how to improve this.

My general editing/article-building procedure has been to start with a list-- Big Breasted Japanese AV Actresses‎ or List of Cinema Unit GAS DVDs, for example. These lists-- especially the video series-- allow me to upload a lot of video covers, which can be displayed at the main series article, and then easily linked into the filmographies of each of the actresses. As I blue-link each actress on the list, I work through their own filmographies and find new series and new actresses... Then I start on a new series, which leads me to more new actresses, etc... I try to keep updating the main lists with the new information/new actresses as they come into my view, and later as I take time to read through video descriptions later to fill out careers/biographies of these actresses later. Because my time here is so limited, my work is slow, but I have found this a good, orderly and interesting way to work through the Japanese big-boob genre-- a subject which can be very difficult to research.

About the image redirects: I wanted them to be clickable to different images-- It looks like the images on your page are regular thumb-to-full clicks. For these videos at The Bomber Girl series, I wanted to have the front-cover images on the main article, because the full front & back cover doesn't really look good in a filmography table. But I did want to have the full front & back cover images displayable through clicking on the thumbs-- for obvious aesthetic reasons :-) I didn't know how to do this, but the Honorable recommended a redirect. If there is a better way of doing this, or anything else, point me to how to do it, and I'll be happy to employ it. Keep up the great work! Dekkappai 17:03, 2 June 2008 (EDT)

Livejournal in biobox

It did work for me, but I'm not sure if every browser can deal with underscores in a hostname. Just being cautious. :) The Honorable 16:30, 4 June 2008 (EDT)