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Jaylene Rio

2008-07-30T10:47:13Z

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'''Jaylene Rio''' is a [[porn star]] and [[adult model]].

== External Links ==
* [http://www.freeones.com/html/j_links/Jaylene_Rio/ Freeones.com]
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== References ==
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[[Category:Adult models]]
[[Category:Porn stars]]
[[Category:Large areolas]]
[[Category:Exotic dancers]]

Jaylene Rio

2008-07-28T10:19:52Z

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Jaylene Rio is a Porn Star.

[http://www.freeones.com/html/j_links/Jaylene_Rio/]freeones.com

Angelica Meow

2008-07-28T10:04:23Z

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'''Angelica Meow''' is an [[American]] [[nude model]] and [[porn star]]. An out of date bio can be found here, [http://www.onemodelplace.com/member.cfm?ID=322672].

== Free pictures ==
[[Image:AngelicaMeow2.jpg|thumb|left|240px|Angelica Meow]]
[[Image:AngelicaMeow3.jpg|thumb|left|240px|Angelica Meow]]
 

== Big tit movies / pictures of Angelica Meow ==
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Ginger Jolie

2008-07-07T10:57:13Z

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|alias= Alexa Dunn, Alexa Kai
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'''Ginger Jolie''' (born on January 15, [[1983]] in Houston, Texas) was the 35th Anniversary [[Penthouse Pet]] of the Month for September 2004. She grew up in Anahuac, Texas.
== Biography ==
=== Early years ===
Her first sexual encounter was at 14, with what she describes as a "bad boy" preacher's boy. Prior to entering the adult film industry, she studied as a pre-med, biochem major at the University of Texas for two years. After dropping out, she ended up waitressing at [[Hooters]], then at a Texas strip club. Eventually, she took up [[exotic dancer|dancing]], then did her first nude photo shoot in Austin, Texas due to her financial status <ref name="lukeford">[http://www.lukeisback.com/stars/stars/ginger_jolie.htm Ginger Jolie] interview and biography at Lukeisback.com</ref>.

=== Career ===
After moving to Los Angeles, California in June 2003, she was pictured in such magazines as ''Hustler, Club'', and ''High Society'' <ref name="lukeford"/>.

She has participated in Andrew Blake movies, and has worked for Peach DVD, as well as many other magazines since 2003 <ref>[http://www.gingerjolie.com/tour.php GingerJolie.com], tour portion of website</ref>. She currently models full time, running her own website, and has also appeared on {{digitaldesire link}} and {{danni link}}. Her favorite position is riding on top, because she "likes to be in control." She likes the fact that "sex is what you want it to be... it can be nice and sensual or it can be hard and rough."

According to her homepage, she has retired from the adult entertainment business.
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Alektra Blue

2008-07-07T10:42:00Z

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|photo=[[image:Alektra_Blue.jpg|240px|Alektra Blue]]
|alias=Alectra, Alektra
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'''Alektra Blue''' (born June 9, [[1983]]) is an [[American]] [[porn star]] who began working in the porn industry in 2005. She was born in Phoenix, Arizona, but grew up around the Dallas, Texas area. Blue currently resides in Woodland Hills, California. She has [[breast implants]].

Along with [[Brandy Talore]], she won the 2006 F.A.M.E. "Favorite Rookie Starlet of the Year" award<ref>{{cite news |first=Peter |last=Warren |title=F.A.M.E. Awards Prove Fast and Fun |url=http://thefameawards.com/2006/press.aspx |work=2006 F.A.M.E. Awards |date=2006-06-24 |accessdate=2007-03-28}}</ref>
sponsored by, among others, ''AVN'' Magazine magazine.<ref>{{cite web |url=http://thefameawards.com/about.aspx |title=About the 2007 F.A.M.E. Awards |accessdate=2007-03-28 |year=2007 |work=2007 F.A.M.E. Awards}}</ref>

Blue was [[Penthouse Pet]] of the Month for April 2008. <ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.myspace.com/penthouse |title=Penthouse Official Myspace page |accessdate=2008-04-17 |year=2008}}</ref>

== Big tit movies / pictures of Alektra Blue ==
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* [http://join.clubalektrablue.com/track/MTA3MTY5OjM6NjM/ Alektra Blue Official Site]
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==External links==
*[http://blog.adultdvdtalk.com/2007/02/alektra_blue_horny_becomes_ale.html Alektra Blue Podcast Interview]
*[http://www.strippersource.com/strip/strippers/alektra-blue/index.shtml Alektra Blue performance schedule, and fan information at Stripper Source]
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==References==
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Ashley Robbins

2008-07-07T10:28:35Z

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{{Biobox new
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|alias= Jane O'Hara, Jana, Stacy,
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'''Ashley Robbins''', real name '''Jana Semrádová''', was born in Prague, Czech Republic an is an [[porn star]]. She began doing porn around 2002 and is known for doing mainly solo work. Sometimes she does lesbian or toys as well though.
== Big tit movies / pictures of Ashley Robbins ==
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== References ==
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[[Category:Adult models]]
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[[Category:Bangbros Worldwide models]]

Anna Nova

2008-07-07T10:25:31Z

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'''Anna Nova''' is a [[German]] [[adult model]] and [[porn star]] from Magdeburg in East Berlin.
==Biography==
She has two younger brothers who still live in Magdeburg along with their parents.
She moved to Berlin in her early teens (14 years), where she claims gained a lot of experience. She was a dental assistant and a [[stripper]], [[Booby dancer]], and a [[model]].

In 2000 she signed a exclusive contract with Goldlight Productions under the name '''Tara Young''', marking her entry in the Porn Industry. Her first movie was ''Blondes Gift''. Shooting in London, Paris and Barcelona she got around in Europe.

She won the Venus award 2001 as best newcomer for her indisputable ability to fuck and suck like a pro.

She concluded her exclusive contract with Goldlight after two years and 20 movies, she realized the endless possibilities that California had to offer and traveled to America, and she changed her name to her current stage name.
Her first movie in America was ''Wild On Sex'' (Platinum X Pictures).
==External links==
* {{fol|a|Anna_Nova}}
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== References ==
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[[Category:Adult models]]
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Sandee Westgate

2008-07-07T10:00:19Z

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'''Sandra "Sandee" Westgate''' (born May 5, 1979,<ref name="afdb"/> in Sacramento, California) is an [[American]] [[adult model]] and [[porn star]].

Born and raised in Sacramento, Westgate began modeling at the age of four. She moved to Los Angeles at 18 to pursue her lifelong dream of being a successful model. She has appearances in lingerie catalogs, calendars, fitness and car magazines, and ''Playboy'' magazine and TV. Her hobbies include webmistressing, baking, art, music, fast cars, taking her dog to the park and erotic art.

She has appeared in magazines including ''Hustler'', ''Club'' and ''[[Playboy]]''. She was the first actress signed to a contract with the Maximum Xposure company in 2005.
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Belladonna

2008-07-07T09:55:00Z

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{{Biobox new
| name = Belladonna
| photo = [[Image:Belladonna.jpg|240px|Belladonna]]
| alias = Bella, Bella Donna, Sasha
| real name = Michelle Anne Sinclair

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| birth month = May
| birth year = 1981
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'''Belladonna''' (born '''Michelle Anne Sinclair''' on May 21, 1981 in Biloxi, Mississippi) is an [[American]] [[porn star]].

== Early life ==
Belladonna grew up in Salt Lake City, Utah in a Mormon household. Her father was a retired Air Force captain and former Mormon Bishop. She has seven siblings: three brothers, three sisters and a half sister from her mother. Her parents are divorced and both have remarried.

== Current life ==
She was formerly engaged to fellow porn actor Nacho Vidal. On [[April 11]], [[2004]], she married Aiden Kelly in Las Vegas, Nevada. Her daughter, Myla, was born on [[January 11]], [[2005]]. Belladonna also put up a website dedicated to her daughter Myla where there are several pictures of Myla, but a password is required to enter this site.

== Career ==
Belladonna got into the adult film industry after she moved to Los Angeles to become a nude model. She has appeared in over 250 adult films with the majority of them being anal-themed. She now owns and operates Belladonna Entertainment with her partner and husband, Aiden Kelly. She produces her own movies under Belladonna Entertainment and Deadly Nightshade Productions, exclusively distributed by Evil Angel. Since 2004 she has exploded in popularity, taking the place of many more well-known longtime actresses who perform in standard/typical porn films.

She often stars in anal sex, interracial and lesbian themed adult films, and has become best known and most popular for the latter. She has performed double anal (a rarity in the adult film industry) multiple times. She has also performed in scenes with transsexual performers, during which she has oral, anal, and vaginal sex, without condoms. She continued to perform while already visibly pregnant. She has built a reputation for her ability to perform in almost any theme in mainstream porn, and for her willingness to perform in almost any sexual scenario.

She has appeared several times in the reality television series ''Family Business'', which focuses on the life of porn director Adam Glasser a.k.a. "Seymore Butts". In 2004 she was one of a number of porn stars photographed by Timothy Greenfield-Sanders for a "coffee table book" on the adult industry, ''XXX: 30 Porn Star Photographs''; she also appears in the HBO documentary ''Thinking XXX'' about the making of the book.

== Lesbian-themed film fame ==
Since late 2003 she has almost exclusively acted in lesbian scenes; she also started to direct and produce her own lesbian-themed films, in which she is almost always dominant. She often takes part in outlandish acts in lesbian scenes, and has built a fanbase based solely upon these films. In several of her lesbian films, she has showcased her ability to bring other actresses to squirting orgasms (many claiming it to be their first), and often performs intense and relentless anal penetrations on them with two or more fingers, or with extremely large dildos. Actresses performing with her sometimes show tears during the more intense performances, later claiming they enjoyed it more than any previous scenes they have taken part in with any other actor or actress.

She also frequently pulls their hair, spanks them, spits on them, and gives verbal commands or exchanges "dirty talk." Usually her female co-stars are more timid and petite women who act more in a submissive role, although occasionally she performs with another female who is equally as intense and dominant as she is. When performing with an equally dominating actress, the scenes often become intense, to the extent that both she and her fellow performer have bruises after sex. In lesbian based films, she generally prefers that those performing with her perform rough anal on her with either 3 or more fingers, or a large dildo in order to bring her to orgasm.

It is these rough, dominant lesbian films for which she has become best known. Though married to a man, Belladonna is bisexual.

== Media attention: the Diane Sawyer controversy ==
Her career in the pornography business was followed for two years by a crew from ABC Television, culminating in a January 2003 interview with Diane Sawyer as part of a ''Primetime Thursday'' segment on pornography. During the interview she broke out in tears. Following its broadcast Belladonna condemned what she felt had been unfair treatment at the hands of Sawyer and the ABC staffers, saying the segment had portrayed her as a victim and that the interview was edited to convey the misleading impression that she had been forced to perform against her will.

One topic discussed in the interview was the fact that she had contracted chlamydia.<ref name="sixty">http://sixtyminutes.ninemsn.com.au/sixtyminutes/stories/2003_05_11/story_831.asp</ref>

The interview has since been used by a number of anti-pornography pressure groups to support their case that pornography is exploitative of the women who appear in it; nevertheless, Belladonna remains an active performer in the industry. In later interviews, Belladonna claimed that she had never intended to make "anti-porn" statements, and that ''Primetime'' had deliberately taken many of her statements out of context in order to give the segment a negative slant.

==Interviews==
* [http://www.mrwebreview.com/interviews/newbelladonna.htm Interview] at Mr.WebReview.com, March 2004
* [http://www.foundrymusic.com/porn/displayinterview.cfm/id/112/ Interview 2005] at FoundryMusic.com
* [http://www.gamelink.com/news.jhtml?news_id=news_nt_interview_belladonna AVN 2006 Interview] at GameLink.com
* [http://www.rogreviews.com/interviews/Belladonna.asp Interview #1 (January 2002)] and [http://www.rogreviews.com/interviews/Belladonna2.asp interview #2 (March 2003)] at RogReviews.com

==Awards==
*'''2002''' AVN Award for Best All-Sex Video - ''Buttwoman Iz Bella''
*'''2003''' AVN Award for Best All-Girl Sex Scene (Film) - ''Fashionistas|The Fashionistas''
*'''2003''' AVN Award for Best Oral Sex Scene (Film) - ''Fashionistas|The Fashionistas''
*'''2003''' AVN Award for Best Supporting Actress (Film) - ''Fashionistas|The Fashionistas''
*'''2003''' AVN Award for Best Tease Performance - ''Fashionistas|The Fashionistas''
*'''2004''' Night Moves Award for Best Gonzo - ''Belladonna's Evil Pink''
*'''2004''' AVN Award for Best Couples Sex Scene - ''Back 2 Evil''
*'''2005''' AVN Award for Best All-Girl Feature - ''ConnASSeur''
*'''2006''' AVN Award for Best All-Girl Feature - ''Belladonna's Fucking Girls''
*'''2006''' XRCO Award for Best Girl/Girl Movie - ''Belladonna's Fucking Girls''
*'''2006''' Fame Award for Favorite Gonzo Movie - ''Belladonna: No Warning''
*'''2007''' AVN Award for Best All-Girl Feature - ''Belladonna: No Warning''

== Trivia ==
* Belladonna has a sacred heart tattoo on the front of her left breast. It also happens to be her company's trademarked logo. She has nine other tattoos, her favorite one being the word "Loyalty" on her lower back.<ref>[http://deansplanet.com/interviews_belladonna.html Belladonna Interview] on [http://www.deansplanet.com Deansplanet].</ref>
* While naturally a dirty blonde, she frequently dyes her hair different colors, including black. She occasionally shaves her head or adopts a buzz cut hairstyle, particularly when performing in a dominant butch lesbian themed film. She sometimes can be seen donning wigs for some productions and going without for others.
* Another distinguishing characteristic is a noticeable gap in her front teeth.
* Is one of the few porn stars ever to deep throat Lexington Steele.
== Big tit movies / pictures of Belladonna ==
<protect>
* {{private}}
* [http://links.verotel.com/cgi-bin/showsite.verotel?vercode=18568:9804000000867118 Belladonna official site] </protect>
== External links ==
* [http://www.bizarremag.com/search/?words=belladonna&searchby=maxim&submit=GO Belladonna at Bizarre Magazine]
* {{FOL|B|Belladonna}} {{FODT|7082}}
{{clearboth}}
== References ==
{{reflist}}
{{GFDL|Belladonna (porn star)}}
[[Category:Directors]]
[[Category:Porn stars]]
[[Category:Escorts]]
[[Category:Pregnant]]
[[Category:Lactating]]
[[Category:Latex models]]
[[Category:Christine Kessler models]]

Andrea Hercogova

2008-07-07T09:32:27Z

Drducker: clearboth template; Freeones links

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'''Andrea Hercogova''' is an [[adult model]].




==External links==
{{FOL|A|Andrea_Hercogova}} {{FODT|18765}}
{{clearboth}}
== References ==
{{reflist}}
[[Category:Amazons]]
[[Category:Adult models]]
[[Category:Porn stars]]

Aimee Sweet

2008-07-07T09:22:08Z

Drducker: clearboth template

{{Biobox new
| name = Aimee Sweet
| photo = [[Image:aimee_sweet3.jpg|240px|Aimee Sweet]]
| alias =
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'''Aimee Sweet''' (born May 14, [[1977]]) is an [[American]] [[glamour model]] and [[adult actress]].

==Biography==
===Early years===
At the age of six, she began performing in stage plays and singing, and developed an interest in sports such as ice hockey, softball, swimming and cross country, which she continued to do through high school. She also was very involved with her school's student council.
===Career===
Sweet's career began at age 19 when she had a chance meeting with {{photographer|Suze Randall}}. Ironically, she went to Randall's studio to accompany one of her friends, who aspired to be a model. When the photographer met Aimee, Aimee was chosen instead. She began modeling for Randall, and soon afterwards was chosen for a centerfold spread in [[Penthouse]] magazine. Much to her surprise, she became [[Penthouse Pet]] for August 1998, which led to appearances in other men's magazines, including ''Perfect 10'', ''Club'', ''High Society'', and ''Leg World''. She was also considered as one of the candidates for Penthouse Pet of the Millennium.

In 1999, Sweet moved to Milan, as a high-fashion model for the famous Elite modeling agency. Upon returning to the U.S. several months later, she started her own business and launched her own website. In addition to running her own website, she modeled for companies such as Ruplemintze, Trashy Lingerie, ''Mystique'' magazine, and Mac & Bumble. She has also branched out into the field of television and entertainment, including a stint as a hostess of a gameshow on Fox Sports, as well as appearing in music videos for Korn and Marilyn Manson.

Having moved from San Diego, California, she currently resides in Los Angeles, California.

She has also worked in Canada, Italy, Mexico, and London, England.
==Tattoos==
Sweet has a tattoo of a spade on her stomach.
<gallery caption="Tattoo Images">
Image:AimeeSweet-RightBellyTattoo.001.jpg|Spade tattoo on her stomach
</gallery>

== Big tit movies / pictures of {{PAGENAME}} ==
* {{digitaldesire}}
* {{macandbumble}}
* {{penthouse}}
* {{suze}}

==External links==
{{FOL|A|Aimee_Sweet}} {{FODT|14443}}
{{clearboth}}
== References ==
{{reflist}}
{{GFDL}}
[[Category:glamour models]]
[[Category:adult models]]
[[Category:porn stars]]
[[Category:penthouse models]]
[[Category:Penthouse Pets]]

Help talk:How should the articles be written

2008-07-07T09:08:06Z

Drducker: /* Extraneous Line */ P tag does the trick

== References ==

=== Existing Conversation ===
Transferred (and date-sorted) from: [[User_talk:Drducker#Refs_to_foot]] and [[User_talk:Prophecy#Refs to foot]]

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Hi Drducker,

I noticed that you moved the References section down on some pages. Well... When I started writing articles here, that was my opinion too: As every section above can have references, it's normal that the references section is at the very end of an article.

Then another user started to move the References section above the External links section in some of my articles - I was quite upset, because he labelled his action lapidarly with "Cleaned up". I never got a response to my question why, but I started to look at Wikipedia pages. The rules there are: "near the end of an article". Then I looked at a lot of pages, and to my astonishment, the External links section was always after the References section. So I started to convert all my articles. References at the end (like before), but still above External links.

Now I see another guy (you) who has the same opinion like me before. I really don't know... Could there be a reason to have the External links after the References, or should we just let Wikipedia do what it wants and have our References at the very end of an article?

[[User:Prophecy|Prophecy]] 18:19, 3 July 2008 (EDT)

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:My take on it is that references are what we have been calling "footnotes", and as is implied by the word itself, that means they should be at the very bottom (structural items like categories, GFDL disclaimers, and such, not withstanding).

:I'm of the opion that it might be a good idea to somewhat formalize some article writing guidelines. We certainly don't need to be anywhere near as rigorous as wikipedia, but a few loose rules could certainly go a long way.

:I'm not exactly sure of how to go about setting up such a process here, but I suppose this might be a start.

:Take a look at [[Aimee Sweet]]. That's a reasonably good example of how I think a page should look. What do you think?

:[[User:Drducker|Drducker]] 07:41, 4 July 2008 (EDT)

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:: Aimee Sweet: Agreed. This is exactly how all my articles are. For myself, I even set up guidelines where which header has to be, so you'll always find the same order of chapters in my articles. But without the double blank lines between the headers like in Aimee Sweet. And references at the very end. Like I said, Wikipedia says References should be "near" the end, and articles place them above External links, but I did not find any reason for this anywhere. Even External links could have a footnote theoretically, and it would be stupid if you'd have to look '''up''' to see the '''foot'''note.

:: So I'll reconvert my articles and put the references back at the very end. It always annoyed me anyway.

:: As for the guidelines: I already set up a few guidelines, and we have the help namespace for this. But it was not developed any further since the establishment of Boobpedia. There's only the two pages Help and FAQ in the navigational box, but they are outdated. I'll start to rewrite these one day, taking into account the new de facto rules that have since been established. If there is no consensus, the rules will be edited, so it won't hurt anyone - but there'd be a start. It could be simple - with How-tos that explain how to start a simple new page (that already has a predefined {{tl|Biobox new}} in it. I wrote an e-mail on that to Hexvoodoo, but never got an answer. But hey - why not simply start these pages. When they are ready they can replace the old FAQ and Help pages - with better navigation and instructions if you are searching for something. [[User:Prophecy|Prophecy]] 07:52, 4 July 2008 (EDT)

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::::Er - do you really think it's a good idea to force the references at the very very bottom of an article? When I said that I'd like to have them at the end of an article, I meant that they should be the last section, but not forced to the bottom with white space between the article body and the references. I think we should not get too far away from Wikipedia standard. We should have the references at the end of an article, but not forced to the bottom. If articles get longer, this could produce unwanted empty lines. And we don't know how it looks when a page is printed. If an article gets longer, the references are at the end anyway, and I think we should not confuse readers with forced-to-bottom references. Just my opinion though. I wouldn't like my articles to be edited this way. I know what you are thinking about, though. I worked in the field of print publications formatting, and there it's normal to have the references at the very bottom of a page. But I think Wikipedia has developed its own standards in some cases, due to the "endless page" concept for example that print media don't have. Mainly I'm afraid that this would cause greater inconsistency, because there'd be thousands of pages to convert. I clearly vote for references at the end, but not forced to the bottom of a page. Perhaps ask The Honorable and other editors who write many articles for their opinion.

:::: [[User:Prophecy|Prophecy]] 14:49, 5 July 2008 (EDT)

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:::::Compare [[Aimee Sweet]] with [[Amanda White]]. The actual code that pushes it down is the same: <nowiki></nowiki>, which means that as a shorter article get longer, the extra space goes away. It's not "real" white space, only a bit of CSS doing it. And it means that the references are always available with a simple [END] key-press.

:::::I think of the references as being more ''Meta''-Article rather than real article, much the same way the categories are. You'll note that the category box is also always at the bottom. Likewise the <nowiki>{{GFDL}}</nowiki> disclaimer is about the ''article itself'', rather than the subject of the article, and should also, IMHO, be at the end of the page.

:::::It seems like you get most of what I'm putting forth here, but this is kind of why I thought something a bit more formalized would be a good idea; While I'd obviously advocate for the way I've been doing it, if the consensus was something else I'd go along with that too.

:::::[[User:Drducker|Drducker]] 20:25, 6 July 2008 (EDT)

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:::::: I know that the blank space vanishes when the article gets longer, but it creates at least one superfluent blank line which is somewhat disturbing the layout. But this should be a minor issue. My two problems are:
::::::* Most of the things you do reflect what I'm thinking too. References at the very bottom - the same, I tend to preferring them at the bottom like you. I was used to see them directly after the article when I joined here and I saw that Wikipedia does it the same way. Well, the question is: I support the idea of Boobpedia becoming an autonomous system of its own - with its own rules, mostly due to the specific subject. We have developed our own templates, we have cooler bioboxes, we have started a fancier chronology system (which just found its way to the main page today) - but should we really differ in the case of references? Hm... perhaps the only reason why Wikipedia has them at the end of an article is to make it easier for new editors who are not familiar with p and br and CSS.
::::::* Ok, '''if''' we say: We have the possibility to make it better than Wikipedia, with a more stringent article formatting, because we started later - how do we
::::::** convert the existing articles?
::::::** get new and existing users to follow that rule too? If a new user comes from Wikipedia, he/she will certainly adapt the Wikipedia style first. So even if we converted all existing pages (we don't have bots so far), I see a problem that new users won't follow this rule and we'd still have inconsistent layouts. But ok, if there was a new style guideline (I see that it becomes more necessary every day), and if it was linked at the important places, we could get it right...

:::::: Ok, to cut it short: Generally I agree with you. Until today, you and me seem to be the only two users who really care about layout - that gives us the chance to set up some rules (that can be edited if there is no consensus). And perhaps you are right - somebody has to start it, otherwise how can editors know there can be a nicer style than on the existing pages.

:::::: Please answer on this page, I'll ask The Honorable to join the discussion. It's too difficult to follow messages on different pages, so I think it's a good idea to continue here. -

:::::: [[User:Prophecy|Prophecy]] 20:47, 6 July 2008 (EDT)

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I prefer References, then pay sites, then external links, though this may just be because I'm used to Wikipedia-type formatting. [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 21:22, 6 July 2008 (EDT)

=== Concerns Expressed: ===

==== Extraneous Line ====
I think I figured out that using a <nowiki></nowiki> tag will allow that problem to be resolved, either through some sort of main.css setting, or by using custom styling in the tag itself. P, being a container tag should allow it to be rendered at 1px (or even 0px) height; BR always added a line because that's what it does. Took me a while to figure that out ;) I do still need to go through and fix my older BR edits, and figure out if setting the height will actually work. As to the the double lines between sections, that was purely about having the code in the edit box be more legible, and isn't anything I consider strictly necessary. [[User:Drducker|Drducker]] 04:45, 7 July 2008 (EDT)
::Yup, I was right. P will do it.
::I added a template to make it easier to type: '''<nowiki>{{clearboth}}</nowiki>''' Which generates: '''<nowiki></nowiki>'''
::This does the push-down, and does ''not'' add an extra line. Yay, does what I want. :) [[User:Drducker|Drducker]] 05:08, 7 July 2008 (EDT)

==== Conversion of existing articles ====
The number of articles here is still moderately small; It would take a while, but simply correcting them as we go would probably not be too onerous at this point. If that is however too much, some sort of 5 minute-cycle activated light script/bot could probably handle it with fair ease (I'll look at the possibilities there and get back). [[User:Drducker|Drducker]] 04:45, 7 July 2008 (EDT)

==== Getting users to do it ====
Well first we should probably invite the regular users to these discussions. For example: [[User:Apara‎]], [[User:Dekkappai]], [[User:Bustanut]] seem to be pretty heavy editors right now. Beyond that having a consistent location to send new editors to would do wonders. The main page off this discussion is my poor start at such. [[User:Drducker|Drducker]] 04:45, 7 July 2008 (EDT)

==== Doing it like Wikipedia ====
Wikipedia's articles have a very different purpose as ours do, so I don't think we should necessarily feel constrained by their process. Mind you, they've been through a lot so it's worth paying attention to what they've done, so as to avoid the same pitfalls. In the case of references, the thinking was probably something related to assuring the credibility of the site as a whole, as well as the specific article in question; For the readers of this site, the exact veracity of the facts may not be the first thing in their minds ;). [[User:Drducker|Drducker]] 04:45, 7 July 2008 (EDT)

=== Proposals Regarding References ===
Proposals at this point:
(Mark yourself as for something by signing with four tildes <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>)

Order:
# Pay Sites then External Links then References then Disclaimers then Categories. (For: [[User:Drducker|Drducker]] 04:45, 7 July 2008 (EDT) )
# References then pay sites then External Links then Disclaimers then Categories. (For: )

Layout:
# References as a pushed-down piece of meta-info. (For: [[User:Drducker|Drducker]] 04:45, 7 July 2008 (EDT) )
# References contained within the normal flow of the article. (For: )

Amanda White

2008-07-07T09:04:08Z

Drducker: clearboth template

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[[Image:Amanda white 003.jpg|160px|left|Amanda White]]
'''Amanda White''' (born February 24, [[1978]]) is a large-busted [[adult model]] and [[porn star]] from London, England, [[UK]]. She is of [[Jamaican]] descent. She has modelled for [[Score]] magazine and has also worked as an [[escort]] in the UK and currently in New York City.

She is the former girlfriend of Sean Combs.
 
== Big tit movies / pictures of Amanda White ==
<protect>
* {{scoreland}}
* {{blackandstacked}}
* {{scorevideos}} </protect>
{{clearboth}}
== References ==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Jamaican]]
[[Category:Adult models]]
[[Category:Porn stars]]
[[Category:Escorts]]
[[Category:Score models]]

Asia Carrera

2008-07-07T09:00:39Z

Drducker: And this fixes the extra space problem

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| photo = [[Image:AsiaCarrera_pussyshowing.jpg|240px|Asia Carrera]]
| alias = Jessica Bennett, Asia
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'''Asia Carrera''' (born '''Jessica Andrea Steinhauser''' on August 6, 1973 in New York City) is a former [[American]] [[porn star]].

== Biography ==
=== Early life and education ===
Asia was born in New York City to a Japanese father and German mother<ref>[http://www.asiacarrera.com/bio2.html Asia Carrera: Why I do porn]</ref>. She was raised in Little Silver, New Jersey, attending Little Silver Public Schools and Red Bank Regional High School.

She studied piano as a child, and had performed at Carnegie Hall twice before the age of 15. When she was 16, she ran away from home because she felt her parents put too much pressure on her to succeed academically.

She won an academic scholarship to Rutgers University and is a member of Mensa<ref>"[http://www.asiacarrera.com/picture/mensawriteup.jpg They're Accomplished, They're Famous, and They're MENSANS]," ''Mensa Bulletin'', July 2004, p. 23</ref>

==== Adult film career ====
Carrera worked during the early 1990s as a dancer at several go-go bars in her home state of New Jersey.

After doing at least one photoshoot for an adult magazine, she put together a demo porn tape in 1993. At the end of that year she relocated to California to break into the pornography business and she announced her retirement at the end of 2003. She is sometimes credited as '''Asia''' or '''Jessica Bennett'''.

Carrera has also been involved in writing, producing, and directing movies, as well as doing all her own make-up and hair-styling, and doing much of the hair and make-up for other actresses in the same movies.

As is common practice among adult film actresses, the name "Asia Carrera" is a pseudonym. According to interviews, she chose the stage name surname from actress Tia Carrere, intentionally misspelling it for legal reasons.

After her contract with Vivid expired in the mid-1990s, Asia had her right labia minora pierced and has henceforth had a variety of 1/2" gold rings affixed there ever since. At this time she also had her first breast enlargement, going from a medium B to at least a full [[C]] cup. She has had at least one subsequent breast surgery and is now a [[D]] cup or larger.

Asia has performed only a few anal sex scenes, again waiting for her contract with Vivid to expire to do her first scene in the movie ''A Is For Asia''. While anal sex pays better, Asia stated that, while she found it enjoyable, it wasn't something she did in her personal life a great deal and had no interest in becoming an "anal queen" in the industry.

=== Other interests ===
[[Image:Vegas.jpg|left|thumb|240px|Asia Carrera]]
Describing herself as "the nerd of porn", Carrera has an active presence on the Internet. She proudly proclaims that she created her own Web site in the late 1990s, including writing the code and editing the pictures.

She is an avid player of ''Unreal Tournament'' and she has designed her own game skins, and was featured in the show ''Players'' on the G4 games cable channel, where she revealed that her screen name is "Megabitchgoddess." Asia hosted her own Unreal Tournament server that featured custom maps designed by fans that frequented her chatroom that she has hosted on her site since 1997. She is also a Corvette aficionado but traded hers in after starting a family.

=== Personal life ===

In 1995, Carrera married adult film director Bud Lee. They divorced in 2003 after a long separation, but continue to remain good friends. Asia dated Clarke, a former grip from her porn sets, for a few years until his visa expired and he returned to England. Soon after, she married nutritionist and author Don Lemmon on December 19, 2003. The couple moved to St. George, Utah, where Carrera gave birth to her first daughter, Catalina, on March 4, 2005. While she was almost 8 months pregnant with their second baby, Don was killed in a car accident near Las Vegas on June 10, 2006. In an expression of concern about her livelihood and worries of not being able to support their two children on her own, Asia has begun to solicit donations on her personal webpage<ref>[http://www.donlemmon.com/don-lemmon-blog.html WHAT YOU ARE GETTING TODAY IS A GLIMPSE INSIDE MY WORLD...]</ref><ref>[http://www.asiacarrera.com/bulletin.html ASIA'S BULLETINS!]</ref>.

Their son, who was born on July 31, 2006, was initially to be named Devin; but she decided, after Lemmon's death, to name him Donald Edward Lemmon III.<ref>[http://www.reviewjournal.com/obituaries/individual_display.jsp?obitID=4724265 Obituaries: LEMMON JR., DONALD]</ref> She gave birth to her son at home unassisted. She and Don had planned for the birth to be unassisted, but after his death she was offered free midwifery services; she was unsure whether she wanted to give birth alone without her husband. The birth occurred 11 days prior to the estimated due date, while a midwife was en route. They are currently doing well.

She doesn't have a MySpace page, stating "No, any 'Asia' page at MySpace or other social site is an imposter. I've had my own site and domain since 1996, so I don't need to be anywhere else."

=== Commentary on the Susan Russell pornography case ===

In 2006, Carrera was asked for commentary by ''The Spectrum'', a St. George-area newspaper, on the local case of Susan Russell, who was charged with 15 counts of third-degree felony distribution of pornographic material. Russell allegedly sold pornographic materials and sex toys from a back room in her Earrings and More store, potentially violating the "community standards" of the small Mormon-dominated town per the Miller v. California Supreme Court case. Carrera opined:
:"I deliberately moved to St. George with my husband so we could raise our kids in a conservative atmosphere, in a low-crime, family-friendly state. I do appreciate that the laws are there, and will make it harder for my kids to get into trouble when they get older."
However, she also explained,
:"Do I have a problem with porn being sold here? No, not per se. I have no problem with porn at all. Trust me, they don't exploit women, and watching porn has never been scientifically shown to lead to any increase in crime rates, be it rape, pedophilia, or any other sexual crimes."
Nevertheless, she reiterated that the community's conservatism was the reason she moved there, and that she had no plans to challenge it nor, by implication, the arrest of persons distributing movies she herself may have starred in.<ref>[http://thespectrum.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061221/NEWS01/612210311 Pornography case puts privacy rights at odds with set public standards]</ref>





== Filmography ==
* Carrera has an uncredited appearance in the Coen Brothers' ''The Big Lebowski'' <ref>http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118715/fullcredits</ref>
* Carrera was the body double for [[Jennifer Tilly]] in the movie ''Fast Sofa''
* [http://www.asiacarrera.com/mymovies.html Carrera's official filmography]

== External links ==
* [http://www.giantrobot.com/issues/issue14/asia/index.html Interview]

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== Big Naturals ==
Sure, that would be great. Sorry for reverting your edit earlier; I assumed it was someone just dumping a list there. I didn't realize that you had Grand Plans. :) [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 20:24, 17 May 2008 (EDT)

== Megan Summers ==
Good catch on her birth year. I just found what might be [http://www.myspace.com/megan_summers her MySpace profile], and it says she's 21 -- assuming that it's actually her and she's accurately listing her age. :) [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 18:30, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

== Hannah ==
Sorry, no idea. Though I did find a FreeOnes discussion that I just linked to in the article. [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 20:44, 21 May 2008 (EDT)

== Re: Any idea? ==

No idea, though I would certainly like to find out. :) [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 18:06, 23 May 2008 (EDT)

== Brooke Banner / Dolly Arasheed ==
You can go ahead and create a [[Brooke Banner]] page if you want -- if she already has an article, merging the two isn't a big deal. For [[Dolly Arasheed]], I've added a link to the Bangbros page as a reference in the article, to show where we got the info. I think most editors are just guessing real/fake based on their appearance, and occasionally guess wrong. [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 14:51, 24 May 2008 (EDT)

==Understanding Biobox defintions==
I don't think you read [[template:Biobox#Explanation of the fields|you can't have full frontal=yes with bush=no]] (see [[template talk:Biobox#Please define "full frontal" more in detail|a discussion about it]]). -[[User:Biguns|Biguns]] 18:40, 27 May 2008 (EDT)
: Likewise for body type. Please understand it's really extreme to declare as chubby anyone whose ribs don't stick out. -[[User:Biguns|Biguns]] 18:47, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

== Lynda ==

Hi Bustanut,

I saw that you added measurements and cup size for [[Lynda (Big Naturals)|Lynda]], but you did not reference them. Where did you find this information?

Thanks in advance

[[User:Prophecy|Prophecy]] 01:13, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

: Found it! :-) [[User:Prophecy|Prophecy]] 01:14, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

== I see you have big plans... :-) ==

Just noticed you copied a website infobox from Wikipedia.

I think it'll be easier to reprogram the {{tl|biobox new}} template so that all infoboxes on Boobpedia have the same standard. That's something I had in mind anyway...

Great work on the Big Naturals list, by the way!

Just leave me a message if I can be of assistance.

Regards

[[User:Prophecy|Prophecy]] 12:40, 23 June 2008 (EDT)

== Shandi ==

I'll see what I can do... I noticed the small photo, but I did not even know her. Well, perhaps I'll find something.

Regards

[[User:Prophecy|Prophecy]] 17:14, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

: Sorry, nothing found... Lots of other Shandis, but not her... Where did you find the existing picture? [[User:Prophecy|Prophecy]] 17:51, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

== Down ==

No, this happens when a high use template is saved. That's why I work out all changes in the template sandboxes first, but then the new code has to be saved once to the original template. Boobpedia then starts to replace all pages with this template. Wikipedia has a queue for this, but Boobpedia hasn't (or at least not such a fast one), so the server is so busy working on the pages with the new template that it cannot calculate other processes for a short time.

I'm sorry for any inconvenience this might have caused.

[[User:Prophecy|Prophecy]] 19:48, 28 June 2008 (EDT)

== Kylie Scott ==

The face looks somewhat familiar, but I can't remember having seen her before... [[User:Prophecy|Prophecy]] 01:28, 29 June 2008 (EDT)

== Tiffany Sloan ==
I don't think they're the same person, although I'm no detective. :) [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 16:41, 29 June 2008 (EDT)

== Sabree Lynn ==

I can't find any listing for her on adultstaffing.com. Maybe she removed her listing there? [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 02:15, 2 July 2008 (EDT)

== Cassandra Calogera ==

Did you interview [[Cassandra Calogera]]? If so, that can be added to the article as an interview section. [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 14:15, 4 July 2008 (EDT)

Also, I'm about to update the new biobox (which will bring the site down :) ) but I can wait if you're in the middle of anything. [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 14:48, 4 July 2008 (EDT)

I've added your Cassandra Calogera "interview" to the article. I hope that story about her boyfriend isn't true, because that would make him the stupidest person ever. :) [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 14:33, 6 July 2008 (EDT)

== Affiliates ==

You should suggest that to Hexvoodoo, as he deals with affiliate/money matters. [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 17:44, 4 July 2008 (EDT)

== Isabela ==

Hi Bustanut,

[[Isabela (Big Naturals)]] already has a page: [[Isa Bella]]. I transferred your data to the existing page and suggested yours for deletion. You might want to change the links in your list.

Regards

[[User:Prophecy|Prophecy]] 11:51, 6 July 2008 (EDT)

:: Yes, "Isabela" with one L was not in her alias field, so she could not be found. [[User:Prophecy|Prophecy]] 11:55, 6 July 2008 (EDT)

== References ==

I'd like to invite you to take part in a discussion that [[User:Prophecy]], [[User:The Honorable]], and [[User:Drducker|I]] have been having, about the layout of model articles. I've Consolidated everything here: [[Help_talk:How_should_the_articles_be_written]]

[[User:Drducker|Drducker]] 04:50, 7 July 2008 (EDT)

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==Welcome back==
I can't think of any recent major changes. You should have no problem continuing to contribute. :) [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 17:47, 26 February 2008 (EST)
* If the sites provide some useful information, and aren't just come-ons for membership sites, they should be okay. [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 20:09, 27 February 2008 (EST)
** If it's related to big breasts, it is probably a suitable subject for an article. :) [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 17:20, 1 March 2008 (EST)

I agree with you about movie posters and video covers in a filmography -- I can't imagine any video producers objecting to using covers for that. [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 17:38, 2 March 2008 (EST)

== Big-Bust genre directors articles! ==

Sounds fine to me. I'm kind of embarrassed that we don't have a [[Russ Meyer]] article already... :) [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 16:27, 4 March 2008 (EST)
:Good-- here comes [[Satoru Kobayashi]]! [[User:Dekkappai|Dekkappai]] 16:27, 4 March 2008 (EST)

== Images and stuff ==
I think that image size warning is a default MediaWiki thing. Unless you're uploading images that are several megs, you're probably okay.

Also, I notice that those Flickr images are Creative Commons-licensed, so they should be fine for use over here.

And let me know if you sneak a Boobpedia article into Wikipedia. :) [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 19:38, 10 March 2008 (EDT)

== Format of external links ==

Please see [[Help talk:Contents#Format of external links]] -[[User:Biguns|Biguns]] 19:59, 19 March 2008 (EDT)
:Hi, and thanks for the pointer, Biguns. Actually, I try to always use the <nowiki>{{cite}}</nowiki> template in my editing. I assume you're referring to my additions at [[Rachel Aldana]]? The Wikipedia article on this subject is probably going to be deleted. She's not in my normal area of editing interest, but I saw some good links at the Wiki article which we did not have, so I did a quick cut & paste job, trusting that regular editors there would patch it up. My BP-editing time is extremely limited, so I wanted to put as much time as I could into researching the Japanese/Asian area which is my principle interest. Hope you understand. Cheers! [[User:Dekkappai|Dekkappai]] 20:13, 19 March 2008 (EDT)
::You've opened 2 other discussions about this. :-) Let's just talk about it in the aforementioned link from now on. -[[User:Biguns|Biguns]] 20:38, 19 March 2008 (EDT)
:::OK, Biguns. [[User:Dekkappai|Dekkappai]] 20:40, 19 March 2008 (EDT)

== Akira Takatsuki ==

hi dekk, i'll shoot Akira Takatsuki an email and see if he wants to get involved. thanks for the information and for your excellent work on BP. --[[User:Hexvoodoo|Hexvoodoo]] 20:33, 27 March 2008 (EDT)

== DVD covers ==

No problem. I'll try to control my urge to prune unused images. :) [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 18:51, 1 April 2008 (EDT)
* I don't think there's any way to just rename image files with MediaWiki -- they have to be re-uploaded with the correct name. [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 15:40, 2 April 2008 (EDT)

== Greetings Dekkappai ==

Domo Arigato! Dekkappai...
Is a good new your return, in this field (gravure and idols) still remains a lot by including...
Greetings and hands to the work.--[[User:Kamui99|Kamui99]] 13:03, 13 April 2008 (EDT)

::Yes, i don't dominate very well the English, i'm from Monterrey, Mexico, by that i use very terms no transliterated from the spanish, sorry.--[[User:Kamui99|Kamui99]] 21:21, 17 April 2008 (EDT)

== Protected Amazon link ==

I assume Hexvoodoo protected it to keep anyone from adding their own affiliate code to the link. I think the protect tags only work if certain people use them -- and it's not an automatic admin thing, because they didn't work for me at first. [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 20:05, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

== Archiving articles ==

Unfortunately, archiving other sites' articles is probably a bad idea, for obvious copyright reasons. [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 19:17, 21 April 2008 (EDT)
: Hey, if it was up to me, I'd have no problem with it. :) [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 18:57, 22 April 2008 (EDT)

== Japanese "metric" cup sizes ==

Hi Dekkappai,

I wrote a bra size template, but I have no idea how to convert these "metric" cup sizes. I saw that you contributed most of the information on Japanese models here. Can you help me? Here's the template:

: [[Template:Bra size]]

Please read the '''Usability''' section about the metric cups. Any help is appreciated!

Thanks and regards

[[User:Prophecy|Prophecy]] 21:08, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

: Hi Dekappai,

: thanks for your reply! Well, measurements like in Aki Tomosaki's Moodyz profile are just perfect! If only all the magazines worked this way (including American and European)... Sometimes they give the real bust measurements, and sometimes the underbust, together with waist and hip, which is useless for a correct bust-waist-hip or a bra size calculation.

: I just saw that you sent me a second answer while I was writing. Did not read the link you gave me so far, because I was calculating if Aki's measurements were really correct. And it's perfect! This is the first Japanese big bust model of whom I ever got the correct bra size! Just look here, it's a normal shop site with advice for women how to calculate their bra size from bust and underbust measurements: [http://www.pamperedpassions.com/bra_sizing.html Pampered Passions]. I followed the instructions exactly with the 70 and 100 cms from her profile, converted them into inches without cutting the numbers - Her cup size is a perfect and real G like stated in the Moodyz profile! And her bra size is 32G.

: As it's you work - would you mind if I added her bra size to your article using my template? You have given "H metric" there - which does not correspond to all the other metric cup sizes sometimes given, because normally they differ a lot from European cup sizes. But 32G is really sensible, I would have estimated her this way too. I'd add a reference and explain how her bra sizes was calculated. I know, this is Boobpedia, and everybody can change articles, but I have respect for the work of others and don't want to disturb any "rules" of your articles which I did not know.

: Thanks again

: Prophecy
:: Thanks. You did not add a reference, so I could not see where you got the H cup from. But anyway, a cup size is never static. I personally know women who wear everything from F to H, depending on the brand, the band size and the country the bra comes from...

:: BUT: I think we have found the proof that all this "metric" stuff is nothing other than normal cup sizes! I never understood the difference anyway. 34 is inches and 75 is metric cms, this is clear. But as for a cup size, they seem to be all the same, with regional and brand differences perhaps. I think this is why I found absolutely nothing on "normal" discussion boards where women wanted to buy a bra in Japan - the answer was always the same: Cup sizes are just like in other countries.

:: I also think that the difference between some Japanese cup sizes and the "real" cup size we might estimate exists simply because some photographers and producers 1. do not know anything about bra sizes (I know several who admitted this) 2. a few cups bigger always sells better. As if Fuko was less attractive if they wrote her real bra size... P is unreal and nonsense, but she does have at least a wonderful H, I or K cup.

:: Best regards

:: [[User:Prophecy|Prophecy]] 19:18, 30 April 2008 (EDT)

::: Oh... I just noticed that the "G" in her Moodyz profile does not mean her cup size. I thought so. My bad... But anyway, G is correct. :-)

::: [[User:Prophecy|Prophecy]] 19:34, 30 April 2008 (EDT)

:::: That's exactly why I left the "metric" entry for Aki untouched, but added her "real" bra size to the measurements field. :-) [[User:Prophecy|Prophecy]] 16:57, 2 May 2008 (EDT)

== AV idols ==

As you know more about the subject than I do, however you want to organize the categories is fine. [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 23:50, 2 May 2008 (EDT)

== Image question ==

I suggest doing it like the thumbnails on the front page -- in the description for the front covers, put a redirect to the higher quality image. [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 20:32, 12 May 2008 (EDT)
: Put <nowiki>#REDIRECT [[Image:HigherQualityImageName.jpg]]</nowiki> as the only text in the image's description, and clicking on the image in the article should take the reader to Image:HigherQualityImageName.jpg. [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 22:11, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

== Ethical dilemma ==

As long as there are plenty of busty women featured in the series, your plan sounds fine. :) [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 20:05, 21 May 2008 (EDT)
* And if they're busty transsexuals...''then'' what will you do? :) [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 20:02, 22 May 2008 (EDT)

== Filmography at Fuko's and other pages. ==

Hi Dekkapai,

congratulations for your thoroughness! I just stumbled across Fuko's site again and noticed the filmography. Please have a look at my [[User:Prophecy|Userpage]] and at a more recent table I created on {{tl|Biobox new}}. I know that the Boobpedia CSS is lacking vertical column borders, but I managed to create some at the {{tl|Biobox new}} page. Perhaps we should think of standardising the tables in your filmographies too? I'd be happy to be of assistance.

I also saw that you asked how to make the pictures clickable in your tables. On my [[User:Prophecy|Userpage]] every picture is clickable, as everywhere on Boobpedia. I do not quite understand why you added the |thumb parameter to your cover photos. Is there a certain plan behind it? I think the frames take more place as if the photos were just there, without frames. They would remain clickable anyway.

Regards

[[User:Prophecy|Prophecy]] 12:13, 31 May 2008 (EDT)

: Well, concerning the tables - you are the only one who managed to get vertical lines in your tables so far :-))) It's a bug or something in the Boobpedia formatting CSS, but Hexvoodoo (who would have the rights to change it) isn't there most of the time. My style of having vertical borders/lines is quite complicated, and if you are writing your articles offline, the possibility of having layout problems when you upload your articles is quite high. But perhaps I'll write something like a how-to-guide some day. It would be quite easy if we were allowed to define classes. You would only have to take your tables, write '''class = "Boobpedia special fancy boobstable"''' in it, and the layout would change. But so far, we have to be satisfied with workarounds...

: Ah, by the way: I extended the {{tl|bra size}} template so that it can handle "E metric" and stuff now. Perhaps you would also like to have a look at the simplified {{tl|bra}} template. You can just type <code><nowiki>{{bra|E metric}}</nowiki></code>, and the result is {{bra|E metric|nocategory=1}}. :-)

: Concerning thumbs: I've searched for this too, because I'd like to have clickable thumbs on my user page that lead to the model's page, like you with your covers. As far as I have tested this, neither the redirect nor other versions work. They don't on Wikipedia either, there's an article about this. Perhaps I did it wrong; I'll let you know if I find a solution. The problem is: Boobpedia's software isn't up to date. Many tricks I'd like to program for templates, for example, don't work, as the Wikipedia features aren't implemented in Boobpedia yet. Again, let's wait for Hexvoodoo...

: I also think we should have clearer categories so that people can find your lists easier. That is a project I'll start with template categories first.

: Have a nice day and thanks for your feedback

: Prophecy

== fyi ==

hi dekk, i have started a discussion about the direction of boobpedia [[User_talk:Prophecy#the_direction_of_boobpedia|here]]. as you have lots of experience with editing on wikipedia, please have a read and give your input, thanks! --[[User:Hexvoodoo|Hexvoodoo]] 17:24, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

== Server will slow down for a few minutes. ==

Hi Dekkapai,

I have fixed some things in the {{tl|bra size}} template. When I upload the new version of the template, the server will slow down significantly for a few minutes, because the template is used on more than 1,000 pages.

As I saw that you are uploading a lot of covers at the moment, and as I know that your online time is limited, I thought I'd wait until you have finished your work. Please tell me when you are ready. The server will probably not respond then for a few minutes.

Thanks and regards

[[User:Prophecy|Prophecy]] 17:29, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

(Excellent list, by the way. I'll think of a fancy table format for your creations in the near future.)

== Please look at the fyi message by Hexvoodoo (above) ==

Just in case you did not notice: Hexvoodoo sent you a message and invited you to join the discussion about a few topics I consider very important: My new category sub-structure and the use of templates tagging articles as containing statements without sources. Please add your comments on my [[User_talk:Prophecy#the_direction_of_boobpedia|talk page]]. I think it is essential for a site like Boobpedia to have at least all statements on boobs properly sourced. Boobpedia is cited more and more, and we have to be reliable in this field. Just my opinion... Curious what you think about it. [[User:Prophecy|Prophecy]] 19:08, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

== Measurements ==

Yeah, I've got this on my list for future templates... I noticed that too, and everyone writes them in another way. I'm thinking of developing a template for that, but there is the difficulty that some models do not provide their real bust measurement for the first number, but their bra size with cup letter. This would be a bit difficult to handle, so I did not start the project yet. For my own projects I always use a style that is similar to {{tl|height}} and {{tl|weight}}:

* Original measurements first, calculated second and in brackets.
* '''cm''' and '''in''' with a leading space and always abbreviated.

So for Iori Kuroki, it would look like this:

130-90-110 cm (51-35-43 in)

If this is too long for one line, you can consider writing it

<code><nowiki>
130-90-110 cm (51-35-43 in)</nowiki></code>

which would cause a line break and display both measurements cleanly in two lines.

Regards

[[User:Prophecy|Prophecy]] 15:42, 17 June 2008 (EDT)

== Chronology ==

Hi Dekkapai,

thanks! I'm glad you like the idea and I'm looking forward to your contributions. [[User:Prophecy|Prophecy]] 16:59, 19 June 2008 (EDT)

== Formatting ==

Hi Dekkappai,

on my computer the table and biobox are displayed normally, but maybe you have changed your article in the meantime. But this is a known issue. It's not the fault of any biobox (old and new would behave the same), but of the principle of positioning any tables at the right of a page in general (the biobox is nothing else than a table).

I had the same problem with my photographer pages: They are actually categories, with the models of this category listed under the article. If the article is short enough, the list of models (category list) overlaps with the biobox.

Workaround:

Type <code><nowiki> </nowiki></code> before your filmography table. As the filmography table is formally '''after''' the biobox in the article code, it will be pulled down until the end of the biobox. This produces a bit of white space, but better than overlapping content...

See [[Gabór Both]] for example. It has the <code><nowiki> </nowiki></code> at the end of the page, so that the category entrie are listed below the biobox if the page is displayed on {{cl|Gabór Both models}}.

In my opinion, a final solution (if there is one) could only be found by updating the main CSS file of Boobpedia or something like that. I've sent a mail to Hexvoodoo about that some time ago, but did not get a reply.

Regards

[[User:Prophecy|Prophecy]] 04:39, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

== Sayuri ==

Haaaa! I '''knew''' you'd find this red link... I already wondered how it could be that you did not start an article about her yet. :-) Not only a picture, here's a few links I saved when I wanted to start a thread on the arabella bra on a forum, but now found a better place for this on Boobpedia:

* http://tokyotopless.com/model/Sayuri/10/
* http://tokyotopless.com/model/Sayuri/12/
* http://tokyotopless.com/model/Sayuri/13/

In these galleries she wears the Arabella bra, but I guess you know how to play with numbers. :-) I wanted to start an article on her some day, but feel free to do this. You have much better knowledge of the subject and are able to read Japanese. She's already listed in your [[Tokyo Topless]] list, but with a red link.

Thanks for your interest and regards

[[User:Prophecy|Prophecy]] 19:49, 29 June 2008 (EDT)

== Minor formatting issues 2 ==

Hi Dekkapai,

1. Sorry, I did not quite get you. Which "."s do you mean? Please show me a page with those "."s and desribe the phenomenon.
2. Filmography overwriting bioboxes. Please show me a page where this happens. I just saw a page with a filmography overwriting the biobox some time ago, filled in the br clear thing, and everything went well - at least on my computer.

Regards

[[User:Prophecy|Prophecy]] 10:10, 1 July 2008 (EDT)

: Ah, now I know what you mean. First: The women in the Oppai listing are incredible! I'm looking forward to your articles.

: Concerning vertical lines: No, nothing has been done. It can only be solved if the main Boobpedia CSS file is changed, but nothing happened.
: Concerning the "."s: The wikitables should allow empty fields without "."s. There must have been something different lacking in your former versions so that the column or the lines were lost. The standard wikitable has lines, no matter what's in the cells. But it looks ugly...
: Concerning the overall format of tables: You can work around this by defining your own CSS style for every single table. That's a lot of work and could be saved by establishing a class in the main CSS file. You can also work around this by defining the cell background colours, so the rest between the cells keeps a different colour. See {{tl|decades}}, the decade header on [[1990s]] or just the parameter table in {{tl|biobox new}} for example. But the amount of work is really immense. And the code isn't very easy to read.

: That's why I'm planning something like a filmography template for the future. One change to the template lets all filmographies on Boobpedia look the same. But that's for the future...

: Sorry I couldn't give you an easy solution. [[User:Prophecy|Prophecy]] 12:38, 1 July 2008 (EDT)

:: I'd have asked you anyway, it's simpler than going through all your tables and find the fields that might be important. :-) Perhaps there will be a simple <code>type</code> parameter to specify whether the filmography shall become "Japanese" or "General". [[User:Prophecy|Prophecy]] 14:37, 1 July 2008 (EDT)

== Bra ==

Sorry, I don't know this bra... :-) The bra thing was only an idea, because there are several manufacturers who specialise on big bust bras. I noticed that some busty models always wear the same bra types so I got interested... I thought it would fit on Boobpedia, but I already got into a discussion if the [[Eyes Wide Shut (body)|Eyes Wide Shut]] body is big bust specific or not. So far it has only been owrn by big bust models and became very popular, but Honorable thinks that a body has nothing specific to big busts. Although my point was that bodies look even more sexy if the yre stretched by big boobs, and if they are transparent, and if they are made of latex - like this one. Latex has become ''the'' big boobs material, but Honorable's point was that wet t-shirts are transparent too... Hm...

: That's what I think too. I would include articles on all garments that ''do something with boobs'' (so a body has to be included), but I would not include garments like stockings (although I love stockings), shoes, panties and so on. You brought me to a good idea. I forgot about that argument. :-) [[User:Prophecy|Prophecy]] 16:18, 1 July 2008 (EDT)

== Server down and citation templates ==

I'll answer on my page as two users have contributed. [[User:Prophecy|Prophecy]] 18:40, 2 July 2008 (EDT)

== Shoe size ==

Yes, I noticed that on many American and british portfolios and sedcards too. The problem is: You never know what this size means or how it was measured. Sometimes it's centimetres, sometimes simple numbers (wich differ heavily from USA to UK to France to Germany to Poland and other countries). So I think providing such information in the biobox could not serve the purpose: To give the reader more information on the model, because he does not know what the sizes mean.

But I can be wrong. Writing something like a conversion like for bra sizes is almost impossible; it would have to take into account the nationality and the country where the model is living now (and we don't even have a field for this). Or we just leave it as free text - letting the user decide what to write in it and if he finds the information useful when he sees it in a biobox. Don't know...

[[User:Prophecy|Prophecy]] 19:10, 2 July 2008 (EDT)

== Asian erotic cinema vs. Asian-born performer in U.S. erotic cinema ==

The solution seems simple:

We do not have a category neither for performers in asian films nor for performers in US films. So she does not have to be categorised at all - unless you'd like to introduce a category for this.

Then again it would be simple: You can add a category like "US film performer" and "Asian film performer" (names would have to be revised, just an idea). If she performs in both, you add both, if not - just one. Personally I think that we do not need such categories - a list would do better. Like yours. As she did not perform in Japanese AV films, she's not an AV idol and not to be listed in your list. If you'd like to start a list of Asians performing in US films (quite interesting perhaps), feel free to start it. I could not contribute, because I'm not that familiar with the subject, but you are.

As for the nationality: We know that she's Japanese, so this has to be entered in the biobox. If you find a source that mentions that she has acquired American nationality too, you can add the '''nationality2''' field which I introduced exactly for this purpose. It's not shown if the biobox is the old one turned to a new one by adding "new", but as soon as it's the new biobox, '''nationality2''' is accepted and processed.

I hope I could help you.

Regards

[[User:Prophecy|Prophecy]] 11:04, 4 July 2008 (EDT)

== Birthdays ==

That's a good idea. I'll probably add some sort of "today's birthdays" link once there are categories for all the days. [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 14:12, 6 July 2008 (EDT)

I've added "Today's birthdays" and "Today in boob history" links in the Interesting Links section on the front page. [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 19:42, 6 July 2008 (EDT)

== Satoru Kobayashi ==

By the way... I added the non-performer biobox to [[Satoru Kobayashi]]. Do you have a picture of him, by chance? Perhaps on some of the covers or in an article you read about him? I have searched for pics in the net, but the only Satoru Kobayashi I could find was a professional Go player... [[User:Prophecy|Prophecy]] 19:53, 6 July 2008 (EDT)

== References ==

I'd like to invite you to take part in a discussion that [[User:Prophecy]], [[User:The Honorable]], and [[User:Drducker|I]] have been having, about the layout of model articles. I've Consolidated everything here: [[Help_talk:How_should_the_articles_be_written]]

[[User:Drducker|Drducker]] 04:49, 7 July 2008 (EDT)

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==Citing==
Actually, [http://www.boobpedia.com/butler/index.php?title=Xanthia_Doll&diff=44309&oldid=33651 my citations] are pretty basic, especially compared with [[Special:Contributions/Dekkappai|Dekkappai]]'s. :) [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 01:16, 12 April 2008 (EDT)

I just wanted to let you know that you're doing a fine job. The article on [[Arkadia]], for one, is very nicely done. [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 21:39, 17 April 2008 (EDT)

---

Thank you! It was my first article. I don't know how these talk pages work so far, so this is a test. I hope you get my reply.

Hm... I got here because I'm often using Boobpedia as a reference for my Natural Big Tits Directory I'm running on FreeOnes:

Current version (may be followed by newer posts in the future):
http://board.freeones.com/showthread.php?p=2107943#post2107943

As you can see, I have listed many many models who aren't on Boobpedia yet, so now that I managed to write my first article, I hope that I'll find the time to write more. I only have to take care that I do not make circle references. :-)

I have an important question/suggestion:

What always struck me is that Boobpedia hasn't got a category for "Bra size". It's always difficult to add a bra size (consisting of band and cup size) to an article, because it doesn't really fit in the "measurements" entry, and in "cup size" it's not correct either. But I think it's very important. A woman wearing a 40D bra hasn't got really big breasts compared with her overall body measurements, but a 32D cup can be considered as quite big. So my suggestion is:

Why not make a template for the bra size? (I don't know how to do this so far) The cup size can be included in this template, so it remains searchable. Something like:

{ { brasize|band=34|cup=D } }

The band size can remain optional (if possible), so if people only know the cup size, they can just enter the cup size.

This way we could avoid all the various entries in the "measurements" field. Correct data for a woman with a 34D bra would be for example:

'''measurements: 38-26-36''' (with no cup or bra size added)

'''bra size: 34D''' (because 34 + D as fourth letter makes 38, following the generally known method to calculate a bra size which Boobpedia lists itself)

People could still enter "free" data if they are not familiar with bra sizes, but for those who like to be correct, the bra size template would help a lot. I think a page named "boobpedia" should offer this possibility.

Regards

Prophecy

: I'll have to think about that, as I'm not sure I understand bra sizes well enough to do something like that yet. :) Also, I've taken bnarod.ru off the spamfilter for now -- I assume they're just a free hosting site? [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 09:13, 19 April 2008 (EDT)

:: Thanks for Rimma! I just edited the page now. As for the bra sizes: Perhaps I'll make a suggestion when I know how to do templates. Or am I not allowed to define one as a normal user? --[[User:Prophecy|Prophecy]] 14:09, 19 April 2008 (EDT)

::: Sure, regular users can create templates too. I suggest studying Wikipedia's templates -- since there are so many, there's bound to be something there that you can build on. [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 01:32, 20 April 2008 (EDT)

==Biobox==
I've added ModelMayhem (and YouTube) to the biobox; just add modelmayhem=whatever-their-id-number-is. [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 13:39, 20 April 2008 (EDT)

: This is great, thank you! Just a little thing: Model Mayhem is written in two words (see top banner at their page, only the URL is written in one word. Would be nice if you adapted this in the biobox text (ModelMayhem -> Model Mayhem). Thanks! [[User:Prophecy|Prophecy]] 15:52, 20 April 2008 (EDT)

== Quotations ==

Italicized quotes are fine. Personally, I prefer indented but non-italicized, but italicized quotes are so common here and on Wikipedia that it's pointless for me to singlehandedly try and change things. :) [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 19:22, 21 April 2008 (EDT)

== FreeOnes ==
Either of your suggestions is fine. I don't think FreeOnes has an affiliate program of their own; I always assumed they were mostly a collection of affiliate links to other sites. Not that there's anything wrong with that... [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 21:53, 23 April 2008 (EDT)

==Redirects==
For identical/similar names that are uncommon, like [[Samantha Fox]], I usually do a disambiguation page à la Wikipedia. For common first names, disambiguation pages probably wouldn't get kept up to date, so I've been moving articles about, say, "Jane," to "Jane (example.com)" and deleting the redirect, so that someone searching for "Jane" gets the search result, and not just whichever Jane happened to get their article at [[Jane]]. (If I'm not explaining this well, let me know. :) [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 20:44, 24 April 2008 (EDT)
* That's exactly how I would handle similar/identical names. Ideally there would be *some* way to differentiate multiple Isabellas; if there's only one who's well known as just "Isabella," "Isabella (adult model)" might work as an article title. Also, how many SuicideGirls have "common" names? Reagan and Apnea come to mind... :)
==Japanese bra sizes==
Thanks, Prophecy-- Actually, I'd seen your work in this area and was about to leave a comment. Sorry, I don't know how the Japanese sizes convert-- My wife is Korean, and they use A-B-C over there for cup-sizes, but metric for the measurements. (B was the highest commonly-available size at local shops when I lived there, so my wife had to make her lingerie purchases around the U.S. posts ;-). One thing I wanted to point out about the Japanese though is that they give an upper-bust, and an under-bust measurement, which is the ribcage. (This would be very useful in calculating actual boobage-- and I remember for a short time in the late '80s there was a time when magazines would give a difference between the two in their statistics). For example [http://www.moodyz.com/actress/-/detail/=/id=4732/ THIS] profile of [[Aki Tomosaki]] gives her bust measurement (100cm) and then cup-underbust measurement (G-cup, 70cm). This is a fairly common way of listing measurements-- especially with the bustier models-- so implementing it in your template might be a good idea. Sorry I couldn't be more help in this fascinating area of research, but I encourage you to continue, and will take time to look into your template and its usage. Cheers! [[User:Dekkappai|Dekkappai]] 18:26, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
:I'm looking around Google for some help here, Prohphecy-- [http://www.japan-guide.com/forum/quereadisplay.html?0+48520 THIS] might help you out. [[User:Dekkappai|Dekkappai]] 18:40, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
::Thanks, Prophecy-- Feel free to add your template to the articles. The G/H-cup difference in Aki Tomosaki's profile is probably because I got the H off another profile. I believe in sticking pretty close to the sources, but if one source is more accurate than another, feel free to use the correct one. If the official profile is "incorrect," though-- I think like John Ford in ''The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance''-- "When the legend becomes fact, print the legend." If "fact" differs from the profile, I say we still put the profile measurement in the article, maybe with a note as to its accuracy... No big deal to me either way though. [[User:Dekkappai|Dekkappai]] 19:03, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
::No-- that G does mean cup-size in Aki Tomosaki's profile. I don't know where I got the H, maybe a video cover... Right-- [[Fuko]]'s P-cup is a publicity gimmick. [[Ran Masaki]] probably pioneered the bust-size exaggeration in Japan. I think the bust-exaggeration really started with [[Kimiko Matsuzaka]]'s "110.7" centimeters, which was a typographical pun on "ii onna"-- "Good woman." Then the cup-exaggeration thing really started with [[Mariko Morikawa]]'s "Q-cup", which was, no doubt, a take-off on the old ''Ultra-Q'' TV science-fiction show, the precursor to ''Ultra Man''. I guess companies need their gimmicks to sell, but all these models are perfectly lovely as is, without the hype. A Fuko by any other cup-letter would be just as sweet... :) OK, I have to log off for the day-- keep up the good work! [[User:Dekkappai|Dekkappai]] 19:38, 30 April 2008 (EDT)

== Bra size template ==

Allow me to give you a hearty "holy crap!" :) Nice job.

I can protect the template from being edited, but this would lock you out too (of course, Hexvoodoo or I could unlock it for you if you needed to edit it). Let me know if you do want it protected, and it will be done. [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 21:08, 30 April 2008 (EDT)

==Metric / U.S. bras ==
Hi Prophecy-- I've noticed a couple of the Japanese subjects have the Metric (G, for example) cup-size in the infobox, and then the U.S. size ("D cup") at the bottom under categories. This seems a good compromise on the situation, since they're known by their metric measurements to fans of the genre, and U.S. fans, just looking for a nice, Japanese D-cup, can still find them by browsing the category. Sound OK? [[User:Dekkappai|Dekkappai]] 16:53, 2 May 2008 (EDT)

==Engrish==
Tragically, yes, I am a native English speaker. Who hasn't been getting enough sleep lately. :) [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 23:55, 2 May 2008 (EDT)

== Heading titles ==

Your article format is fine. I don't have a strong preference for what to call the section of the article about posing in front of a camera, but you raise a good point about "Career" being too broad. My [[Naughty Alysha]] changes were due to sloppy reverting, not because of any preference about the section title. [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 10:21, 3 May 2008 (EDT)

You're right about the italics; I missed the italics on "RadioX." With regards to the photographer stuff, a biobox just for photographers might be a good idea. What are your plans with the <nowiki>{{photographer}}</nowiki> template? [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 20:12, 3 May 2008 (EDT)

Instead of a biobox just for photographers, I've been thinking about a general "non-performers" biobox that could also be used for directors, artists, etc. Also, you've done some impressive work on the photographer templates, though I worry that you're getting carried away from the main point of Boobpedia, i.e., boobs, and their owners. :) [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 13:46, 4 May 2008 (EDT)

My idea for the nonperformer biobox is to use a cut-down version of the regular biobox -- taking out measurements, what sex acts they've performed on camera :) , etc. That way, if they do go in front of the camera, an editor can change the template name from [currently-untitled-biobox] to biobox, add the new fields, and it's done. [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 14:58, 4 May 2008 (EDT)

== Media licensing ==

For Creative Commons photos, I would upload it with "none selected" for the license, and then add the appropriate CC info. Also, I'll see if we can add Creative Commons as a proper menu option. [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 20:51, 5 May 2008 (EDT)
* Choosing "none selected" doesn't add a template, like the other options do. If you add the CC license information in the summary, or go back and add it after uploading, all should be fine. [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 18:47, 6 May 2008 (EDT)

== Pin up models ==
Thanks Prophecy, I try my best what I can gather and share it here on Boobpedia. I'm sure everyone here appreciates my work, but thanks for the acknowledgement.-Apara 20:32, 6 May 2008 (EDT)

==Angelique==
I tend to agree with you -- I think the biobox photo should be representative of how they are best known. But I'll let you and Biguns sort it out. :) [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 15:04, 7 May 2008 (EDT)

==Angelique photo==
Where can I find the photo spread of Angelique in latex? I like all of the work you have done to her page! [[User:Msjayhawk|Msjayhawk]] 21:28, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

== Home page ==
I had to call it something, and that was the first thing that came to mind. :) How about "official website"? [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 16:46, 7 May 2008 (EDT)

Specifically assigning a color for the table header seems to work. I put in #ccc just to get a different color, but you can play with the color if you want. [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 22:19, 7 May 2008 (EDT)

== Steve Diet Goedde bio ==
It looks like the Wikipedia bio is mostly plagiarized from his site. I would suggest stripping it down to something more basic until an original bio can be written. [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 19:57, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

== photographer categorization ==

hi prophecy. i wasn't able to work on boobpedia for some time, so i'm just now catching up. i have seen your work on putting photographer categories in model pages. may i suggest that these categories be named slightly differently. for example, from [[:Category:James Bertoni]] to [[:Category:James Bertoni models]], and [[James Bertoni]] to [[James Bertoni models]]. we have done this for directors, and it's best to keep things consistent. it's also less confusing than having just a male name as a category. --[[User:Hexvoodoo|Hexvoodoo]] 19:59, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

== tables ==
I think that's caused by Wikipedia and Boobpedia using different CSS. You'd have to ask [[User:Hexvoodoo|Hexvoodoo]], because my CSS knowledge is limited, and I don't think I have access to stylesheets here anyway. :)

There's no policy here about table formatting -- [[Big Naturals]] has internal borders (sort of). [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 16:07, 18 May 2008 (EDT)

== Vanessa (Montagne) ==
I don't know. I've asked on [[User:Vanessa|Vanessa]]'s user page. [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 19:45, 21 May 2008 (EDT)
* Good detective work. [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 20:29, 22 May 2008 (EDT)

If Vanessa deletes the information again without explanation, I'll block the account from editing. That should get her(?) attention. [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 13:31, 26 May 2008 (EDT)

== nude model redirection ==

since there are many articles that use the [[nude model]] redirection, and it has always been used in place of adult model, i don't think we should redirect that to fine art nude models. in fact, we probably shouldn't change the redirect for [[nude]] either, to keep things consistent. in cases where we are referring to fine art nudes we can expressly state that. --[[User:Hexvoodoo|Hexvoodoo]] 16:39, 22 May 2008 (EDT)

:there are a lot of current articles using [[nude model]] - see [[Special:Whatlinkshere/Nude_model]]. --[[User:Hexvoodoo|Hexvoodoo]] 16:46, 22 May 2008 (EDT)

::even though all of them could be changed, i don't think we should. most people outside the fine arts community think nude model is the same as adult model, and it's also very descriptive to add "art" or "artistic" for links where they are supposed to go to fine art nude model. --[[User:Hexvoodoo|Hexvoodoo]] 16:50, 22 May 2008 (EDT)

:::yes the category themselves don't need work, but the very fact that we have so many instances of [[nude model]] referring to adult models signifies that they are commonly (mis)understood as the same thing. academically you may be right, but realistically we have to follow the masses. in places where you want [[nude]] or [[nude model]] to go to fine art nude models, it's not a bad idea to add art or fine art to the terms anyway. --[[User:Hexvoodoo|Hexvoodoo]] 16:58, 22 May 2008 (EDT)

::::for one, sometimes an editor uses nude model to break up the monotony of saying adult model all the time. secondly, it's not really about a battle of the percentages. it doesn't have to be 50 50 in usage for us to consider the two terms as equivalents. thirdly, i know that you are willing to do the work, but i always have to consider the impact this has on the project and the visitors. while it only helps to add art or artistic as descriptive terms, redirecting all "nude" or "nude model" to fine art nude models has the potential to confuse readers. i don't think these terms should have their redirections changed. --[[User:Hexvoodoo|Hexvoodoo]] 17:12, 22 May 2008 (EDT)

::::one last point for consideration is this [http://www.google.com/trends?q=adult+model,nude+model&ctab=0&geo=US&date=all&sort=0 google trends]. there are several times more searches for nude model than for adult model. since it's obvious that more people search for porn than fine art nudes, the masses do in fact consider nude as a porn/adult term. --[[User:Hexvoodoo|Hexvoodoo]] 17:18, 22 May 2008 (EDT)

:::::i like your last idea. that should work well. --[[User:Hexvoodoo|Hexvoodoo]] 17:28, 22 May 2008 (EDT)

::::::is there a way to show that message only when someone gets to that page through the [[nude model]] redirection? right now it's there even when visiting [[:category:adult models|adult models]] directly. --[[User:Hexvoodoo|Hexvoodoo]] 17:59, 22 May 2008 (EDT)

== Biobox ==
I've added the BGAFD to the biobox.

Also, any suggestions for the biobox layout are welcome. There are probably better and more compact ways to present the information; it's just a matter of someone figuring it out. [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 21:28, 22 May 2008 (EDT)

== .svg ==

That's Hexvoodoo's area -- I don't have access to any of that stuff. [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 18:03, 23 May 2008 (EDT)

== Test biobox categories ==
You could comment out the categories in your test biobox...
:<nowiki></nowiki>
...and then re-enable them when you need to test them. [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 16:41, 24 May 2008 (EDT)

== Height template ==
Done. Be sure to let me know when you're done tweaking it. [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 21:03, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

== New biobox ==

I haven't played with it much yet, but so far it looks good. [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 13:23, 31 May 2008 (EDT)

I'm missing the field 'measurements'. Has it been removed? [[User:bnatic|bnatic]]

== [[:Image:Question book-new.gif]] ==

Where did you get [[:Image:Question book-new.gif]]? I'm assuming it's a free-use type of icon, but we need to know its source. (Fair-use claims probably won't work for navigation icons). [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 19:56, 1 June 2008 (EDT)

==Re:Filmography at Fuko's and other pages. ==
Thanks for the note on my work, Prophecy. I've noticed that you are working quite hard on templates formats, etc. but because of my extremely limited time here, I haven't been able to see exactly what it is you-- or the other editors here-- are doing. I took a look at the new biobox just now and I think it looks great! The more we can get away from Wikipedia-type formatting and into formatting specifically suited to Boobpedia, the better I think.

If you follow my editing history, you'll notice I don't contribute for a day or so, then I add to articles in a frenzy within a half-hour or hour at the most. This is because I have no home Internet connection, and my time for BP-safe editing is extremely limited. I do most of my real article-writing off-line at home, then in the hour I have during the day, I upload that work, and then do my researching and image-searching, which I work through later at home. This is the reason my editing may not be in synch with what is going on here at Boobpedia. I'm mostly feeling my way in the dark-- just making up these table formats, citation styles, etc., on my own as I go along. I contribute more to work-safe Wikipedia, in similar subject matter-- Japanese erotic cinema-- so I model a lot my work here around that-- with the exception that images are tolerated here, especially in the filmography tables. I don't have time to read through BP rules and guidelines, or even other editors' work... I would like to, but I can't. If you point me to any key guidelines or formats, I'll copy the info and study it at home to use in my own editing. As far as making a general BP-wide standard table format-- I think it's a fine idea. You can get see what format I have come up with during my work here from some of my recent work at these articles like [[Saori Sekihara]], [[Boku no Oppai]], or [[Rin Aoki]]. I'm open to suggestions on how to improve this.

My general editing/article-building procedure has been to start with a list-- [[Big Breasted Japanese AV Actresses‎]] or [[List of Cinema Unit GAS DVDs]], for example. These lists-- especially the video series-- allow me to upload a lot of video covers, which can be displayed at the main series article, and then easily linked into the filmographies of each of the actresses. As I blue-link each actress on the list, I work through their own filmographies and find new series and new actresses... Then I start on a new series, which leads me to more new actresses, etc... I try to keep updating the main lists with the new information/new actresses as they come into my view, and later as I take time to read through video descriptions later to fill out careers/biographies of these actresses later. Because my time here is so limited, my work is slow, but I have found this a good, orderly and interesting way to work through the Japanese big-boob genre-- a subject which can be very difficult to research.

About the image redirects: I wanted them to be clickable to different images-- It looks like the images on your page are regular thumb-to-full clicks. For these videos at [[The Bomber Girl series]], I wanted to have the front-cover images on the main article, because the full front & back cover doesn't really look good in a filmography table. But I did want to have the full front & back cover images displayable through clicking on the thumbs-- for obvious aesthetic reasons :-) I didn't know how to do this, but the Honorable recommended a redirect. If there is a better way of doing this, or anything else, point me to how to do it, and I'll be happy to employ it. Keep up the great work! [[User:Dekkappai|Dekkappai]] 17:03, 2 June 2008 (EDT)

== Livejournal in biobox ==
It did work for me, but I'm not sure if every browser can deal with underscores in a hostname. Just being cautious. :) [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 16:30, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

== Removing Categories ==
Hey Prophecy

Yeah I never really agreed with it either. So I went to look how many where under that category. 270 or so, I thought it would be a bigger amount. But of course I found some articles mislabeled. Also the new biobox works great. Definitely more organized than the previous one. [[User:Apara|Apara]] 04:06, 5 June 2008 (EDT)

== Birthdays ==
I've been wanting to do something with birthdays, but it would have been clunky with the old biobox. We could go ahead and do categories for the birth dates, and then figure out if there's a way to automatically post them on the front page. (The main page is updated manually -- I ''can'' edit it, but I usually leave it to Hexvoodoo.) [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 18:03, 5 June 2008 (EDT)
: Just don't go creating 366 categories before we make sure everything works. :) [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 18:12, 5 June 2008 (EDT)

== Categories ahoy ==

With all the template and category work you've been doing, I'm starting to think you're a bot. :) [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 22:29, 7 June 2008 (EDT)
: :) [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 23:04, 7 June 2008 (EDT)

== Kelly Monaco ==

No, no, everything's fixed, I think. [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 19:05, 8 June 2008 (EDT)

== template:cl ==

It has been unprotected. [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 19:16, 8 June 2008 (EDT)

== Dates ==

Good point, I hadn't thought of other things that the dates might be used for. Maybe someday we'll have date and year articles like Wikipedia, listing major events in big-boob history. :) [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 22:09, 8 June 2008 (EDT)

== Reverting Cup Sizes ==
Yeah, I wondered why no one caught on about Msjayhawk's changes to cup sizes and adding them by observing. So I decided to look through them all. After I did the "large areola" clean up. [[User:Apara|Apara]] 23:28, 8 June 2008 (EDT)

== Old vs. new biobox ==
Don't worry, I'm not very attached to the old biobox. I threw it together quickly and was never quite happy with how it looked. I will probably replace the old biobox with your new one soon, but I want to wait a bit more to make sure that everything works okay.

As for our Tammi Tyler fan, I think I'll wait until he finishes the article before cleaning up after him. :) [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 23:54, 8 June 2008 (EDT)

No problem, I hadn't protected it yet. :) [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 14:52, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

== the direction of boobpedia ==

hi prophecy, sorry i didn't get back to you sooner. i'll try to answer the last few questions from you, then discuss something i have in mind.

i could allow svg file uploads, but i see that you've already used gif equivalents so that may no longer be necessary.

if another editor seems to have missed your edit summaries, it's best to try communicating through user talk pages first.

i like the new biobox you have made. very good job! i think we can retire the old one and move the code for biobox new into biobox.

let's talk about something i've had mind for a while now. i have seen a lot of work done by you on various aspects of boobpedia - most of which i agree with and really like, but i do have a few concerns:

# wikipedia does a lot of things right, but i never liked the disturbing trend of many of its articles having increasing disclaimers of how the article is deficient in one way or another. "policing the articles", as i call it, instead of improving content detracts from the core mission of a wiki. i don't want boobpedia to become just a clone of wikipedia with a different subject. realistically, a lot of information in boobpedia can never have the same level of attribution and references as more general subjects can. by tagging articles with disclaimers like "needs reference" and categories like "unsourced since june 2008", we will just end up with a bunch of articles permanently disfigured. it is quite clear to see what is referenced and what is not referenced by looking at an article. wikipedia has ended up with a lot of these useless disclamiers because of an imbalance between policing and content development. when they see unsourced information, rather than looking for a source, they put on a tag and hope for others to do the actual work. i would rather boobpedia editors do it the opposite way.
# boobpedia's main goal is to serve up information on busty women. it's not really a general wiki on adult subjects, therefore i consider things which don't directly help readers locate information on the models/actresses to be impediments. this is why we still have so many top level cup size or physical attribute categories, even though in the past there have been attempts to clean things up by putting them into subcategories. i think the contents category is unnecessary - most readers are here for the articles, and don't quite care for things intended for regular editors. it's probably best if we just have a category called Maintenance and put all editor-related things in there. i have time for editing this week, so i'll do some organizing of the categories.
# the last thing has to do with templates. i'd like to minimize the number of templates to those which are absolutely necessary. we don't have nearly the same server resources as wikipedia and can't have unlimited templates. whenever possible, please consider alternatives to adding another template. even manually using an article's title in place of <nowiki>{{PAGENAME}}</nowiki> helps in the long run. if a template is only going to be used in a small number of pages, it's probably better to manually input the information ourselves.

please let me know what you think. keep the discussion here as i'll invite the honorable to come and join us. thanks and keep up the good work! --[[User:Hexvoodoo|Hexvoodoo]] 17:17, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

: Hi Hexvoodoo,

: thanks for your reply. Here are a few remarks for me:

# .svg: I'd appreciate very much if you allowed them, because it takes a lot of work to convert .svgs to .gifs, and .svgs are endlessly resizable. It would save a lot of time if they were allowed.
# Disclaimers and unsourced statements: I am not a Wikipedia user, it was Boobpedia that got me into all this. :-) Now that I've read a lot about the Wikipedia headnotes, I know that there are many Wikipedians just passing by and leaving a tag instead of finding the information. But: There are some users just passing by and writing down cup and bra sizes judging by their eye. I think this is such an important information for a site like Boobpedia that we cannot leave information on boobs unsourced. So far it was only me who tagged a few articles. Result: A few users checked these articles, found the user who added cup sizes at will and corrected all of the articles! Boobpedia has become a source for many forums and is cited there - that's why we should be reliable in this field. The creation of {{tl|ambox}} was just a start to see how it works. The tags do not have to be put at the top of a page, and they do not have to be so big. As for my intention with the tags: For most of the articles, I put them in the pages to better find them later, because I wanted to add information. Boobpedia has become so big now that it needs tags like these. I could write a clear note (like at Wikipedia) that {{tl|unreferenced}} should generally '''not''' be used, but the information has to be added. Besides, we should be aware that the articles start to contain statements about living persons. These persons see when users click on links in their articles and become aware of the fact that they are listed here. {{photographer|Kevin Hundsnurscher|nocategory=1}} added to his article, and [[Ulorin Vex]] asked to be categorised in another category than {{cl|Adult models}}. I just deleted a few statements about alcohol and drug problems of [[Xanthia Doll]], because I could not find any sources - before this causes problems. I think this is fair, and if a tag at the top of an article can help improve it, it's fine. I only put {{tl|unreferenced}} on articles that had much text, but no sources at all. Most likely copied from Wikipedia, but I did not have the time to check that. Adding a {{tl|GFDL}} to the article helps, and the tag can be removed. Please do not delete {{tl|ambox}} and related templates, and do not remove the tags from the articles - I want to work on them later. As for me, they are very helpful.
# Categories: I did not change any of the top level catgories, and I wouldn't, just because of the reasons you mentionend. It's fine that Boobpedia has a "Browse categories" link in the navigation bar, while Wikipedia doesn't. I agree with you that we should leave the top level categories as they are (I only categorised some of them under additional categories), but '''please''' do not change anything. You do not need to reorganise anything anyway - all editor related categories are already in "Contents/Boobpedia administration" and nowhere else. I really need these categories, because otherwise I cannot keep track of my templates and development tools. The Contents category: I created it today, for the purpose of having one root category for all the others. Contents is now placed at the top of the category page so that it's somewhat outside the "regular boob categories" visitors may look for, but still easy to find and in a prominent place for admins and editors who are looking for tools. And for visitors who prefer a structurised approach when they look for information. I think that's a good comprimise - It's the only new top level category; the rest remains unchanged. My suggestion: Leaving the top level categories untouched, but also leaving the "Contents" category where it is. There were quite a few categories that were "sunken" in other categories or could not be found at all. I took them back to the surface, and that was a huge amount of work. I'd appreciate if this structure could be maintained. As said - you do not have to reorganise anything, because it's already done. No top level category has vanished, all editor related categories are under one single category, and many of the more "hidden" categories can be found easier now. Please notify me if you plan to reorganise any of the subcategories so that I can explain my reasons for specific classifications.
# Templates: Ok. That's why I even suggested replacing all biobox templates by a metatemplate the type of which can be triggered with somehing like <code>type =</code>. But these are future plans. By the way, if you have a look at my templates, you will see that 90% of them are high-use templates that are on 300+, 500+ or 1,000+ pages. I try to only create templates that really help people and can be used for many purposes.

: One more question: Is there a way that I can be granted the right to edit my own templates that have been protected? I introduced the /sandbox system to reduce server load, but I don't want to bother The Honorable or you all the time to unprotect and reprotect templates when I have finished my work on them.

: Regards [[User:Prophecy|Prophecy]] 18:11, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

References I'm guilty of neglecting of using when I make my articles and/or find information. When I first started making articles, I never really got the use of it. After observing other editor’s articles. I'm starting to become more aware of the use and most likely starting to use them. One thing I also notice was the over use of some categories. I did a "sweep" of some categories the past week. I noticed how some articles are uncategorized, especially with "large areolas". Also had to revert some cup sizes on many articles from users who determined what the articles cup sizes were by just observation of the model's pictures. Basically when I'm saying is, the un-source template is useful and helpful (especially with cup sizes) for such articles that seem to be edit without references and just by observation.
[[User:Apara|Apara]] 20:25, 9 June 2008 (EDT)
: Thanks for the invitation, Hex. I'll offer a few thoughts, but haven't really had the opportunity to read through all of the above, or to view how these issues are being worked out in articles throughout BP.
: One thing that has always bothered me about Wikipedia is the ratio of talk to article-- for any one line of actual article text there are dozens of lines of talk, Afd, rules, interpretation of rules, RfC, RfA, and all the rest of that power-play garbage, which is often irrelevant, if not actually detrimental to actually building the encyclopedia. BP is a refreshing change of pace to that, because here, basically, I just research, contribute, and occasionally share a thought or two, on topic, with another editor. I hope BP remains this way. That said, except for the recent interactions with Prophecy, and questions I've asked Honorable, I do feel like I'm working in the dark a lot here. So I think a group discussion on where we are, and where we go from here is a good idea at this time.
: I think you deserve lots of credit for the new biobox, Prophecy. I mentioned to you before also that I think this is the direction BP should head-- to customize all the more generic Wiki features into BP-specific formats. Your biobox takes the generic Wiki format and highlights just what is of interest to the general BP user.
: The more techie issues and questions are beyond my knowledge, so I leave them up to you and the others to work out. I'm certainly more a "content" guy than a "format" guy-- another thing that is getting me into a bad position at WP... but that's another story. I completely agree with Hex on the maintenance templates. At Wikipedia the behind-the-scenes (the editing) so often shows itself onstage (the articles), which is not good. I haven't seen the maintenance templates. But, though they may have worked out fine this time, there is still the potential of WP-like indefinitely-templated/defaced articles. We should be able to come up with a better way of noting work that needs to be done. Projects are a good Wiki-concept which might work for BP for maintenance issues. One of Wiki's problems, I think, and its virtue, is that it is so spread out. There, the project system has helped, I think. Articles can be watched by an umbrella group, and worked on by editors with interest and knowledge in that particular area. Maybe we could create a "maintenance" project-- '''a page which lists maintenance issues in certain articles-- ("So & so is unsourced")-- which editors can scan from time to time and work on.'''

:: Exactly. That's why I created this: {{cl|Boobpedia maintenance}} It's already there. :-) Articles tagged with the templates appear here, and I simply love to go through and see what I can add. Already fixed a few articles. [[User:Prophecy|Prophecy]] 19:28, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

: Although maybe, in the case of maintenance, just pages listing issues would suffice. One for "Copyedit," one for "Sourcing," etc... When an editor notices a problem, but doesn't have time to work on it, he could list it for those who do. Though BP is probably not big enough for more specific projects at the moment, it would be nice to be able to create them eventually-- "Japan Project," "Playboy Project," "BBW Project," "Russ Meyer Project," whatever... And these projects would help with maintenance issues.
: I'll be happy to give input on any of these issues, just understand that my BP-safe online time is extremely limited. Uploading an researching will get priority, but I'll contribute to discussions when I can. (Also, I need to get off my butt and get that damned home Internet connection fixed!) [[User:Dekkappai|Dekkappai]] 19:20, 10 June 2008 (EDT)
::(Reply to Prophecy above) Ah, well that's where my inability to enjoy BP at my leisure puts me at a disadvantage in any discussion... If your templates are just categories listed at the bottom of pages, I see no problem with that. But if they are big, Wiki-style banners plastered across the top of the article, I'm against that. Maybe I should just hold off comment here until I can get the home internet working again. :-) [[User:Dekkappai|Dekkappai]] 19:53, 10 June 2008 (EDT)
::: Actually they '''are''' at the top of articles. But I just started it to see what others think. It would be no problem to put them at the end of an article. Only for unsourced boob measurements I am of the opinion that they have to be on top of a page. But anyway - I was the only one so far who has tagged articles, mostly for myself to find them later - and to leave a sign for others and encourage them to improve the articles. I don't think that they are a problem, because no one uses them - and I'll use them only in very limited cases. As I said, I already removed the tags on some pages after having fixed the sourcing issues. [[User:Prophecy|Prophecy]] 19:58, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

: Addition to the categories topic: Just one day after I introduced and reorganised {{Cl|Boobpedians}}, people start adding their user pages and also adding their native languages. Before, the old "Boobpedia users" category was practically deserted. I think it's great if we can establish more of a community feeling like that. To Hexvoodoo: It would be great if you added yourself too so that we have the administrators complete. Please add the following cagetories to your user page if you like:

:<code><nowiki>[[Category:Boobpedians|Hexvoodoo]]</nowiki></code>
:<code><nowiki>[[Category:Boobpedia administrators|Hexvoodoo]]</nowiki></code>
:<code><nowiki>[[Category:Boobpedia bureaucrats|Hexvoodoo]]</nowiki></code>

:If you are an English native speaker, you can also add

:<code><nowiki>[[Category:English native speakers|Hexvoodoo]]</nowiki></code>

:Thanks and regards -- [[User:Prophecy|Prophecy]] 05:08, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

== email ==

btw: please send me an email through the contact link in the navigation bar. i have another project you may be interested in participating. --[[User:Hexvoodoo|Hexvoodoo]] 17:46, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

== Biobox hybrid ==
Ok. I wasn't sure what to do in that situation. So I changed it to "new". But now I know. [[User:Apara|Apara]] 01:03, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

==Re:Server will slow down for a few minutes. ==
Thanks for the note, Prophecy. Obviously you know by now, I was done uploading before you sent it. I'm glad you enjoyed the list too-- I was a little leery about uploading some of these Japanese BBW lists, because I know they're not to everybody's taste. (I like a woman of some substance myself :-) Wait till you see some of the amazons on another list I've been working on... big, powerful, buxom gals!... next I'll have to blue-link some of the more promising models on today's list. The work never stops! [[User:Dekkappai|Dekkappai]] 19:01, 10 June 2008 (EDT)
:Oh, and yes-- your edits to the list are correct. I just cut & pasted them in a hurry while online and forgot to fix them. Cheers! [[User:Dekkappai|Dekkappai]] 19:03, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

== Possible metric cup size converting ==
Hey Prophecy 
I was looking through the [[Bra]] article just a few mins ago. When I came across [http://www.85b.org/bra_conv.php this]. Since converting metric cup sizes was some sort of a problem. I thought this might help the situation. Especially in [[User:Dekkappai|Dekkappai]]'s case. I figured you probably knew of this link or not. I just thought I'd fill you in. [[User:Apara|Apara]] 20:24, 10 June 2008 (EDT)
: I came across [http://www.85b.org/bra_conv.php this] page on my own, and generated a table out of the data. It's here: [[User:Drducker/BraConversionChart]]. Seems to be a one-to-one conversion, if the source document is accurate. [[User:Drducker|Drducker]] 06:52, 23 June 2008 (EDT)
That's what I thought. "C metric" seems kind of small to me. [[User:Apara|Apara]] 21:55, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

==Vanessa Del==
I found it on the [http://www.bigtitscurveyasses.com Big Tits Curvy Asses] site. I'm not sure how to calculate band sizes. So I just leave them blank unless I find info. [[User:Apara|Apara]] 23:01, 12 June 2008 (EDT)
:How do you calculate band sizes? If it were possible. [[User:Apara|Apara]] 23:19, 12 June 2008 (EDT)

== Nina Hartley ==

I defaulted to "birth name" because I wasn't sure if that was her current name. I do see your point, though. [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 21:33, 15 June 2008 (EDT)

== Natali Demore ==

Hi Prophecy, sorry i don't know about, i'm sure You would have done it much better, but well. The new biobox is much better than the old, I congratulate You.

Greetings.--[[User:Kamui99|Kamui99]] 05:39, 16 June 2008 (EDT)

::OK! ;) Thank You, But I think that All your articles are very complete and very well elaborate. Besides all your girls are dreamed. You're doing very good work, Congrats!

::--[[User:Kamui99|Kamui99]] 05:51, 16 June 2008 (EDT)
==Measurements==
Hi, Prophecy. Since you're the formatting guy, maybe you can help me. The measurements, at least as I am using, seem pretty clunky. For instance at the article I've just started on [[Iori Kuroki]] (take a look :-) I give measurements as "130-90-110(cm) / 51-35-43(inch)" There must be a better way-- either by tinkering with the infobox (or maybe you already have, and I'm not aware of it), or by agreeing on a standard way to do this sort of thing. [[User:Dekkappai|Dekkappai]] 15:33, 17 June 2008 (EDT)
:Thanks, Prophecy. I'll keep it in mind. As long as we've got the information up there, I suppose, the formatting isn't all that crucial. We can clean it up later. Meanwhile, discoveries like [[Iori Kuroki]] continue to inspire further research. :-) Cheers! [[User:Dekkappai|Dekkappai]] 15:53, 17 June 2008 (EDT)

== DP ==

Sure. :) [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 20:47, 17 June 2008 (EDT)
=="This date in boob history"==
I like your date idea, Prophecy, and it's just the kind of thing I'll be able to work on easy at home-- I'm still getting used to the novelty of having easy Internet access again, and still spending more time surfing than writing, but I'll settle down and try to contribute Japanese info to those later. Cheers! [[User:Dekkappai|Dekkappai]] 16:54, 19 June 2008 (EDT)

== No image available ==

Not sure of the proper reply etiquette here, but hopefully this is right "enough". ;)

I was actually hoping somebody might get a bright idea to change the template like that; I hadn't had a clue about how to do it myself, but I see that template code isn't super complex programming.

So, in short: Cool.

[[User:Drducker|Drducker]] 09:15, 21 June 2008 (EDT)

==Minor formatting issue==
Hi, Prophecy. If you look at [[Rui Akikawa]], you'll see a minor formatting issue-- or at least I do on my computer. The filmography over-writes the lower part of the biobox. This problem will be solved as the text of the article expands, but still, if there's a way to fix it, let me know. Keep up the great work! Cheers. [[User:Dekkappai|Dekkappai]] 19:58, 23 June 2008 (EDT)
:Thanks, Prophecy. The best solution, of course, is to fill out the article with text, and I hope to do that when I can. Until then I'll try your "clear all" suggestion. [[User:Dekkappai|Dekkappai]] 12:50, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

==160px==
I change it from 160 to 180. Because of the lines going through the main article picture and biobox. They seem unnecessary. [[User:Apara|Apara]] 07:52, 24 June 2008 (EDT)
:The headlines "Big tit movies" "Free galleries" (go through main picture) "References" and "External Links" (go through the biobox). I use Internet Explorer 7. [[User:Apara|Apara]] 08:05, 24 June 2008 (EDT)
::From what I remember, the lines did go across with the old biobox also. I'm not sure why it comes off when I make changes to the article. Minor changes does the trick. When I use a iMac computer. The lines don't appear. [[User:Apara|Apara]] 22:40, 24 June 2008 (EDT)
:::First I thought it was a common problem. Thinking the formatting of the article was off. But seems to be rare in some cases. I'll take it up with [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] or [[User:Hexvoodoo|Hex]]. [[User:Apara|Apara]] 22:49, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

== Big Naturals help ==

Prophecy, I have been unable to find any other photos of this model, maybe you would have better luck. [[Shandi (Big Naturals)]] --[[User:Bustanut|Bustanut]] 13:42, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

It is in the members area. It is the only thing left for the deleted women. It just so happens that every other woman has pictures still on the internet. --[[User:Bustanut|Bustanut]] 20:19, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

== Height and weight templates ==

Referencing here: [[User_talk:Drducker#Height_and_weight_templates]] & [[User_talk:The_Honorable#New_weight_template]]

I had thought that sub-template referencing was probably a performance hit actually, but figured the gain of factoring out all the implicit conditionals in what I've dubbed "default-folding" of parameter names, and only doing so once (versus 4x for pounds, and 5x for kilos), would offset it. In thinking it through a little more after your comments I guess the "default-folding" is in application time (using existing in-memory data), and the template call is in network time (accessing the DB for the text of the page), so I can see how that could still be problematic.

There are two ways I can think of potentially achieving some gains in performance, though the first is without the code elegance:

# Do you know if "default-folding" uses a short-circuit style conditional? If so, we could see a performance boost by changing the order of the parameters being folded so that the most commonly used parameter name is first. (In the weight template case, I'd guess "kg" for the kilogram params.) Like so: <pre>{{{kg|{{{kilo|{{{kilos|{{{kilogram|{{{kilograms|}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}</pre>
# I haven't been able to find some way to make an assignment inside a template; Maybe you know of some way? I'm thinking something like: <pre>{{#assign:newparam=value}}</pre> which would allow for having the folding only occur once, and still be inside the same template. Weight could look like this: (obviously with the spacing fixed to remove rendering artifacts)
<pre>
<includeonly>
{{#assign:p={{{lb|{{{lbs|{{{pound|{{{pounds|}}}}}}}}}}}} }}
{{#assign:k={{{kg|{{{kilo|{{{kilos|{{{kilogram|{{{kilograms|}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} }}
{{#if:{{{round|}}}|{{#assign:r={{{round|}}} }} }}
{{#if:{{{p|}}}|
{{#if:{{{k|}}}|
{{{p|}}} lb ({{{k|}}} kg)|
{{{p|}}} lb ({{#expr:( ({{{p|0}}}/2.2) round {{{r|0}}} ) }} kg)}}|
{{#if:{{{k|}}}|
{{{k|0}}} kg ({{#expr:( ({{{k|0}}}*2.2) round {{{r|0}}} ) }} lb)}}
}}
</includeonly><noinclude>{{documentation}}

</noinclude>
</pre>

== BMI ==

Referencing: [[User_talk:Drducker#BMI]]

You are correct that "Thin" has some negative connotations, though only very slight. I've actually thought the body type stuff, if based off BMI, should stick closer to the "official" boundaries. The BMI calculator listed in the biobox template description has these categories:
; Underweight : BMI < 18.5
; Normal weight : 18.5 <= BMI < 25
; Overweight : 25 <= BMI < 30
; Obesity : 30 <= BMI

I've seen the underweight-to-normal boundary at 18 also, and that keeps things a little simpler. I also think we could break down the Normal category into two, and so my proposal would be:
; Thin : BMI < 18 (18)
; Slim : 18 <= BMI < 21 [18-21)
; Normal : 21 <= BMI < 25 [21-25)
; Chubby : 25 <= BMI < 30 [25-30)
; BBW : 30 <= BMI [30)

Band size as an indicator has some potential, though my thoughts are that it (as well as waist/hip measurements) serves as a measure of relative proportionality. Which is to say, it can lead you a bit astray on it's own for determining body type. Also, given how fast and loose some models play with their measurements, it doesn't have the same level of reliability.

I'd also like to propose that the other body types (Athletic, Muscular) be used as modifiers, ie a model could be labeled as "Normal Athletic", and that a third possibility be added: "Toned"
; Toned : Well toned body
; Athletic : Defined musculature present
; Muscular : Exclusively for intensive body-builders
[[User:Drducker|Drducker]] 15:27, 26 June 2008 (EDT)

: I still think it would be better to keep the under BMI=18 category, simply for the flexibility it affords, though perhaps finding a new term would be better; Some that I found: lank, lean, skinny, slender, svelte, slight, delicate, waif. Of them, I like "Waif" (or maybe "Waifish) best as the under BMI=18 replacement. So that would mean the full list would be: Waif, Slim, Normal, Chubby, BBW.

: The template I'm working up for doing body type automatically, should be able to figure the Muscled modifiers with a single parameter. The final template call should look something like: <nowiki>{{bodytype|m=1.60|kg=55|muscle=Athletic}}</nowiki> which should result in "Normal, Athletic (BMI:21.5)" with appropriate category linking additions, etc. I want it to handle meters or feet-inches, pounds or kilos, etc. and that's why it's taking me a while. As it's rendered output should hit the "free text" rendering in the biobox template, there shouldn't be any need for a change in that template when it's done.

: [[User:Drducker|Drducker]] 17:07, 26 June 2008 (EDT)

:: Waif is a term that came to the fore in the fashion industry. Think Twiggy, or Kate Moss. The word originally referred to orphans, and the undernourished. See: [[wikipedia:Waif|Wikipedia's entry]]
:: [[User:Drducker|Drducker]] 17:22, 26 June 2008 (EDT)

== User:Define Babe ==
I've blocked [[User:Define Babe|Define Babe]] and added definebabe.com to the [http://www.boobpedia.com/boobs/MediaWiki:Spam-blacklist spam blacklist]. Feel free to delete any link to definebabe.com that you find. [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 20:58, 27 June 2008 (EDT)

== Boobpedia down ==

Just curious why Boobpedia has been down for several minutes at a time the past few days. Is traffic increasing that much and causing an overload on the servers? --[[User:Bustanut|Bustanut]] 18:59, 28 June 2008 (EDT)

It's not problem at all. I was just curious was all. Thanks for the info.
--[[User:Bustanut|Bustanut]] 19:50, 28 June 2008 (EDT)

== Kylie Scott ==

Any idea who this is? I have never heard of her before [[Kylie Scott]].
--[[User:Bustanut|Bustanut]] 01:22, 29 June 2008 (EDT)
I was thinking the same thing. I just wanted to make sure the name that is givin on the website is the correct one since I have not been able to find anything else on her. --[[User:Bustanut|Bustanut]] 01:31, 29 June 2008 (EDT)

== Eyes Wide Shut/templates ==

Eyes Wide Shut: I deleted the disambig notice for [[Eyes Wide Shut (body)]] because there isn't an [[Eyes Wide Shut (film)]] article, and I didn't know the film had any noteworthy bustiness. :) I think doing articles on specific latex outfits and bras may be too tangential to the point of Boobpedia, though.

Templates: If they're useful for multiple articles, developing additional templates is fine. [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 18:20, 29 June 2008 (EDT)

: Articles on bras and bodies are OK, if the bras are reasonably well-known, and are designed for large breasts, to accentuate large breasts, etc. or something like that. So, under that new rule that I just made up :), the Arabella bra is an appropriate article subject, but the Eyes Wide Shut body isn't. [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 19:54, 29 June 2008 (EDT)

:: I'm not entirely convinced about the Eyes Wide Shut body -- transparent bodies accentuate big breasts, but so do wet T-shirts and tight blouses. Where should the line be drawn? [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 23:46, 30 June 2008 (EDT)

== [[Arabella (bra)]] ==
Hi, Prophecy. I notice a [[Sayuri]] listed as a wearer of this bra. Do you have a link to an image? "Sayuri" is a very common given-name among Japanese models, and I can think of several who deserve articles here. I might be able to identify this particular one with an image. Also, if you're starting articles on bras, off-hand I know that Wacoal is the major Japanese manufacturer. They're not big-bust specialists by any means, but I wonder at which point BP becomes "exclusionist" with regards to boob-lore... Keep up the great work! Regards. [[User:Dekkappai|Dekkappai]] 19:39, 29 June 2008 (EDT)
:Oh, '''''SAYURI!!!''''' Yes, I've been collecting whatever I can on her for years... Pretty sure I've seen her in video/DVD appearances too. I've got her marked for an article, one of these days... So many boobs, so little time! Cheers! [[User:Dekkappai|Dekkappai]] 19:56, 29 June 2008 (EDT)

== Samanthas ==

I think they're different -- Topheavy [http://www.topheavyamateurs.com/newgraphics/cuppages/gcup_page.htm says] their Samantha is British. [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 23:43, 30 June 2008 (EDT)

==Minor formatting issues 2==
Hi, Prophecy. Has the table problem been fixed? The one where you lose the lines if there is no info in a field? If so, I can start removing those "."s I put in to avoid that... Also, the problem I mentioned above, about the filmography tables overwriting the biobox-- It doesn't seem to occur on different computers. I use Firefox here, and it occurs whether I put the "clear all" at the top or not... [[User:Dekkappai|Dekkappai]] 03:15, 1 July 2008 (EDT)
:Hi, Prophecy-- I thought you mentioned how I was able to get the lines in the tables before... ([[User_talk:Dekkappai#Filmography_at_Fuko.27s_and_other_pages.]] "you are the only one who managed to get vertical lines in your tables so far") The way I got the lines was to put a "." in a field if it was empty. For example, look at [[Chiharu_Mizushima#Partial_filmography]]. I don't have info in the top listing for "Company" and "Director". If I left it blank, I wouldn't get the table lines, so I put in the "."s. Recently, however, I've been getting the lines without the "."s If you look at the third listing at [[Oppai label]], I don't have the performer's name. I didn't put a "." in it, but it looks OK. I took it from your note above, tha tI wasn't the only one having trouble with the vertical lines-- has that issue been fixed? Regards. [[User:Dekkappai|Dekkappai]] 12:26, 1 July 2008 (EDT)
::Thanks for the feedback, Prophecy... That's odd about the lines though-- I used to not see them unless I put something in every field, and this was on several different computers... I'm an old guy with not much programming skills anymore (Cobol, anyone?) so I'll leave the filmography CSS coding up to you when you get around to it. Also, I'm not sure if I've finally settled on the "ultimate" Filmography format-- So let me know when you start work on this, as I would like to have some input and suggestions to make. (For example, the Japanese video templates might require special fields, such as the Video ID number, which is a standard way of identifying these things-- I've finally started using those numbers to identify the cover images, which saves a lot of inconsistent translating/naming and possible accidental duplication.) Anyway, I'll continue plugging away on article/content and leave the coding up to you experts :-) I'm glad you enjoyed those "Oppai" girls-- yes, they look very article-worthy, every one of them! If you like the short and chubby girls also, the recent discovery I am most enchanted by is [[Usagi Minagi]]-- I've been lucky to find a bit of information on this relatively obscure-- but quite entrancing-- subject. My next step is to go on a blue link-ing spree with so many of those red links I've been putting up in these lists. Keep me updated on coding/formatting changes, and keep up the great work! Cheers! [[User:Dekkappai|Dekkappai]] 14:29, 1 July 2008 (EDT)

Hey, Prophecy-- since you're doing work on bras (with regard to bras, as with my editing, I focus more on their ''content'' than their format ;-), you might want to check out [http://tokyotopless.com/model/MiyabiHAYAMA/12/ THESE] pictures of our new subject, [[Miyabi Hayama]]. You might be able to squeeze her into one of your articles. Cheers! [[User:Dekkappai|Dekkappai]] 16:04, 1 July 2008 (EDT)
:I haven't followed the discussion much, but, personally, I'm in favor of any boob-related info/articles here. Articles on bras-- even plain old, non-big-bust bras-- or any other boob-specific lingerie seem appropriate to me, as they're boob-related. Just my opinion though. [[User:Dekkappai|Dekkappai]] 16:15, 1 July 2008 (EDT)

==A request==
Hi, Prophecy. Since you're the guru of the new biobox template, maybe you can add a "Shoe size" field? Even Wiki's female adult template has one, so I don't see why ours shouldn't. Personally I don't care much about this bit of information, but it is included in many Japanese profiles-- [[Usagi Minagi]], for example, wears a 23.5cm-- so it must be considered an important statistic there... I think I've included "shoe" fields in some of my article/bioboxes in the hope that some day this info would be visible... [[User:Dekkappai|Dekkappai]] 13:30, 2 July 2008 (EDT)

== please help me out ==

yesterday the server was down for a while, and a reboot had to be done. the server load was 132% at the time. since you are familiar with most of the templates, could you please go over them and see if you could simplify them and substitute manual input whenever possible?

a case in point: i came across this page recently, [[Angela Little]]. it's a typical short article, yet it uses many templates, not all of them are necessary. when you get the chance, please assess the situation and see if we could bring down the server load. thanks --[[User:Hexvoodoo|Hexvoodoo]] 14:45, 2 July 2008 (EDT)
:Pardon me if this is a stupid question: But does that apply to citation templates as well? I use them a lot, but several professional/academic editors at Wikipedia whose opinion I respect have advised against using these. I've thought about writing the citations out manually, and it wouldn't really be any trouble to do so (I have an article & citation skeleton files that I cut, paste & alter when starting up articles-- I'll just change the way they're set up). So, if this will help, I'll stop using the citation templates. [[User:Dekkappai|Dekkappai]] 18:07, 2 July 2008 (EDT)

::The reason why the server was down was simply me, and it was a mistake. It '''only''' happens when a high use template is saved. Unfortunately I had the original {{tl|nationality}} open and saved a silly testing change to this one instead of {{tl|nationality/sandbox}}. So once saving the mistake took a lot of server load, but as it messed up all bioboxes at the same time, I had to quickly revert the edit. So the server hadn't finished changing all pages yet when I already started the reverting. This was too much. The use of templates on pages as such isn't causing as much trouble as saving them. The problem is: Wikipedia has a queue for this. The server slowly works it through when it has the time; and when there is too much server load, it simply does not update all pages at once. The Boobpedia server, however, does not seem to have a queue and tries to update all the pages at once. This is why saving a high use template causes massive server action. Once the conversion is finished, everything is ok.

:: I noticed that the Boobpedia wiki software seems to be a lot older than the current wikipedia one. Is it much work to update it? Things like this would not happen any more. (Actually I don't know if Boobpedia even has a queue, but at least it's not that effective as the Wikipedia one).

:: Concerning Angela Little: Well, Drducker has developed BMI and Eye color templates. The only additional template by me is {{tl|bra}} (which was an early idea by me, started to experiment, but was adopted by almost every other user very quickly. In my opinion, it has enriched Boobpedia, because it has solved many problems: Bra sizes in the measurement field, combining bra and cup sizes, allowing a proper classification and so on). {{tl|weight}} and {{tl|height}} were already existing when I joined Boobpedia and were by far the most used templates here. All other templates are - sorry - Boobpedia affiliate link templates we did not develop.

:: The alternative could be (as you mentioned in an e-mail, Hexvoodoo) to write out all height and weight and bra size measurements. But: I added and tested {{tl|height}} on quite a few bioboxes where height was written out manually. Two thirds of them were calculated wrongly. Same for bra sizes. Hm... The rest of the templates you see at the bottom when you edit a page is all inside the new biobox. They make the new biobox what it is. Deleting all the templates out of it would mean that articles would not be categorised in such an exact manner any more (if at all) and that the code would become completely unreadable. It would at least double the size of the biobox, or even more.

:: I don't have access to server statistics, but I still believe that simply calling and reading a page with these template is not that crucial - it's saving a high-use template which causes the server to crash. Editing {{tl|height}} for example ends in a catastrophe every time you try it. I normally do all my work on templates in sandboxes, but this time it was my mistake, sorry for that.

:: I don't see a way of removing the templates inside the new biobox without turning back time half a year and return to the old "non-functional" biobox.

:: Regards

:: [[User:Prophecy|Prophecy]] 19:05, 2 July 2008 (EDT)

== 48 bra size? ==
When I was observing the [[Karola]] page. I noticed it says "48ZZZ". When I entered it in to the bra size template. I got an error. I know her bust size isn't 48 inches, unlike someone like [[Virginia Bell]] who does. Can 48 be added or needed rather? [[User:Apara|Apara]] 02:52, 3 July 2008 (EDT)
:Actually I had Karola in mind when I asked about the 48 band size. Since it said 48ZZZ on her measurements. I only brought up Virginia Bell, because I was comparing the difference between bust size and band size. I see why the template only goes so high as 46. Now I'm aware. Thanks for clearing up that also. . [[User:Apara|Apara]] 19:47, 3 July 2008 (EDT)

== Refs to foot ==

See: [[User_talk:Drducker#Refs_to_foot]]
My take on it is that references are what we have been calling "footnotes", and as is implied by the word itself, that means they should be at the very bottom (structural items like categories, GFDL disclaimers, and such, not withstanding).

I'm of the opion that it might be a good idea to somewhat formalize some article writing guidelines. We certainly don't need to be anywhere near as rigorous as wikipedia, but a few loose rules could certainly go a long way.

I'm not exactly sure of how to go about setting up such a process here, but I suppose this might be a start.

Take a look at [[Aimee Sweet]]. That's a reasonably good example of how I think a page should look. What do you think?

[[User:Drducker|Drducker]] 07:41, 4 July 2008 (EDT)

:Compare [[Aimee Sweet]] with [[Amanda White]]. The actual code that pushes it down is the same: <nowiki></nowiki>, which means that as a shorter article get longer, the extra space goes away. It's not "real" white space, only a bit of CSS doing it. And it means that the references are always available with a simple [END] key-press.

:I think of the references as being more ''Meta''-Article rather than real article, much the same way the categories are. You'll note that the category box is also always at the bottom. Likewise the <nowiki>{{GFDL}}</nowiki> disclaimer is about the ''article itself'', rather than the subject of the article, and should also, IMHO, be at the end of the page.

:It seems like you get most of what I'm putting forth here, but this is kind of why I thought something a bit more formalized would be a good idea; While I'd obviously advocate for the way I've been doing it, if the consensus was something else I'd go along with that too.

:[[User:Drducker|Drducker]] 20:25, 6 July 2008 (EDT)

I agree with you that this has gotten a bit too large to be handled in the User_talk space, so I've migrated this to, consolidated in, and continued at: [[Help_talk:How_should_the_articles_be_written]]. [[User:Drducker|Drducker]] 04:45, 7 July 2008 (EDT)

== Asian erotic cinema vs. Asian-born performer in U.S. erotic cinema==
Hi, Prophecy. I see one potential categorizing problem, which I anticipated a while ago (if you read the intro to [[Big Breasted Japanese AV Actresses]]). The problem is: How do we categorize Asian actresses who perform in U.S. media... The Japanese and the U.S. adult entertainment genres have their own unique characterists-- beyond simply the nationality/ethnicity of the perfomers. (Personally, as you can guess, I like the Japanese, and don't like the U.S., even when it's an Asian performer in a U.S. video.) I notice we have an article on [[Fujiko Kano]], who fits this problem. She is Japanese, born in Japan and (I guess) still has Japanese nationality, but, as far as I know, she does not work in Japanese films or videos-- only U.S. ones. To my way of thinking, that makes her a U.S. performer... Do you follow my concern? Or should we just let this small imperfection go? [[User:Dekkappai|Dekkappai]] 10:52, 4 July 2008 (EDT)
:Thanks, Prophecy-- I guess the answer is, the ethnicity/nationality categories do not apply to the country in which they work. Yes, my AV list fills the "Performer in Japanese AV" category gap (a category I don't really see a need for either). I don't know anything about Asian performers in U.S. media though-- from earliest days, I was always been attracted to the home-grown Japanese/Asian variety :-) I've been thinking of starting a similar one for Japanese gravure models, once I get the AV list under control (probably never!)... Also, thinking to the future... I'd like to put small thumbnail pictures for each actress, next to the name, which links to the article... But if I do that, we might have to break the list up somehow-- maybe by cup-size... but having the names all in one list is very important also, since it helps to search a name in Japanese... Although, once all the articles are started, the extra info will be taken out of the list, making it smaller... Just thinking-- Now I need to get back to work on [[Sayaka Hijiri]]-- my stub for this morning! [[User:Dekkappai|Dekkappai]] 11:16, 4 July 2008 (EDT)

== Biobox update ==

I'm ready to update the biobox, but I can wait if you're in the middle of anything. [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 14:17, 4 July 2008 (EDT)

== Debbie Quarry ==
I've taken rarecelebrities out of the spam filter, so your update should work now. [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 01:18, 6 July 2008 (EDT)
== Isa Bella ==
Prophecy, nice catch. Thanks. I thought she did, but I couldn't find it when searching for Isabela and Isabella. Thanks again. --[[User:Bustanut|Bustanut]] 11:52, 6 July 2008 (EDT)

== Birthdays and history ==

I've added "Today's birthdays" and "Today in boob history" links in the Interesting Links section on the front page. Thanks for your help! [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 19:42, 6 July 2008 (EDT)
==Satoru Kobayashi==
Yes, I noticed the template and had it in mind to put in a picture. I was sure I had a picture of him... I'm pretty sure I saw one in a book somewhere... can't locate it though. The name "Satoru Kobayashi" is a fairly common one, so searching the web will bring up a lot of people who are not him-- and a lot of videos/film posters of his films. Anyway, I'll keep looking and upload it when I find it. Thanks! [[User:Dekkappai|Dekkappai]] 20:01, 6 July 2008 (EDT)

== It is me ==

Prophecy it is me...Robyn Foxx I came across this and decided to update my own page. Still learing all of this. Thank you for the help.

Robyn Foxx

== It is me ==

Prophecy it is me...Robyn Foxx I came across this and decided to update my own page. Still learing all of this. Thank you for the help.

Robyn Foxx

== It is me ==

Prophecy it is me...Robyn Foxx I came across this and decided to update my own page. Still learing all of this. Thank you for the help.

Robyn Foxx

== It is me ==

Prophecy it is me...Robyn Foxx I came across this and decided to update my own page. Still learing all of this. Thank you for the help.

Robyn Foxx

User talk:Drducker

2008-07-07T08:45:38Z

Drducker: Consolidating Discussion

== No image available ==

Hi Drducker,

I saw that you created a pic for this purpose. Fine idea! But I think it's better not to add it manually to the biobox, because the "Image needed" category will not appear and you have to add it manually (like you did).

I'll program the biobox that it automatically displays your image if there is no image given, ok? So you won't have to add it manually, and the categories are still being organised automatically.

Regards

[[User:Prophecy|Prophecy]] 08:29, 21 June 2008 (EDT)

: Done. An admin will have to copy the new code to the protected template, so you'll have to wait a day or two for the changes to take effect. You don't have to add your pic manually now, it is automatically displayed if there is no photo.

: Regards

: [[User:Prophecy|Prophecy]] 08:59, 21 June 2008 (EDT)

== By the way... ==

I saw that you created your userpage.

You can add

<code><nowiki>[[Category:Boobpedians|Drducker]]</nowiki></code>

at the bottom of your userpage to be listed in {{cl|boobpedians}} and

<code><nowiki>[[Category:English native speakers|Drducker]]</nowiki></code>

to be listed in {{cl|boobpedians by language}}. :-)

If your native language is other than English, just change "English" to your native language. If the new link is red (we don't have that many languages listed yet), don't bother - I'll create the category later, or you can create it.

Regards

[[User:Prophecy|Prophecy]] 03:35, 23 June 2008 (EDT)

== Conversion chart ==

Yeah, I already saw it on your user page, thank you very much.

Perhaps I'll create an article on this some day. Bra sizes vary from country to country, but we have to have some kind of standardised bra size here to make it comparable.

The table lists Japanese bra sizes as European ones. This is actually true if you really want to buy a bra in Japan, but these Japanese film makers simply invent bra sizes of their own - that's why we cannot include these "F metric" sizes so far - no one knows how to convert them.

The future "bra size" or "bra" article will take into account all differences, but I think the 34DD=34E and 34DDD=34F rule is the only one which can be realised here. If we took into account the different cup sizes in Britain, for example, the biobox would have to prove if nationality=British and then calculate another bra size. This would be confusing for users, and they would continue to edit the bra sizes of British models, because they would differ from the ones given by the models themselves (I always doubted that they have the same bra sizes, because British models always give bra sizes which appear to be bigger than you'd judge them by your eye.) And: We do not know if a (perhaps formerly) British model who is published in "Score" or other American pictorials is published with an American or British bra size.

Therefore I came to the conclusion that it would be really good if Boobpedia had its own article on bra sizes, explaining all the local differences to the visitors who are interested, but that we have to have a standardised bra size based on the data given by the model.

It was me who introduced the new bra size category and {{tl|bra size}} template while programming the new biobox. Before it was almost impossible to give a proper bra size in the biobox, resulting in much false data. Now we have something that is quite comparable, although the bra sizes of British models may still be in the wrong category in some cases - but as said, we do not know if their bra sizes are given in American, European or British standard.

Ah, by the way: Someone has already copied an article from Wikipedia, but left it alone with many things not suitable for Boobpedia: [[Bra]]. It does not even have a category, and I did not touch it so far, because it also contains some things that are not correct or precise enough in my opinion. Why don't you start working on that article and include your table? We really need an article like this.

So far, Boobpedia was only a collection of more or less well researched articles (the longer ones mostly being only copied from Wikipedia), but I think a site called "Boobpedia" should really become '''the''' reference for big boobs and have some well elaborated articles on the main topic itself: boobs (and how to cover them nicely in bras). :-) I'd be very happy if we could remove the GFDL (Wikipedia license) tag from the [[bra]] article one day, because it only contains our '''own''' research - well organised, with quotes, references and reliable sources.

Regards

[[User:Prophecy|Prophecy]] 07:10, 23 June 2008 (EDT)

== Height and weight templates ==

Hi Drducker,

you are right, {{tl|height}} and {{tl|weight}} are the two oldest templates on Boobpedia. I completely reworked {{tl|height}} a few weeks ago to display "1.70 m" instead of "1.7 m", but apart from this, they are still the same as they were in the beginning.

My first template was {{tl|bra size}}, and I did exactly the same like you: I split it into three templates, outsourcing major parts from the main template to make the main template more readable. Over the time, {{tl|bra size}} grew, and now it's not so tiny any more. It has become one of the most used templates on Boobpedia, and that's were the difficulty lies:

* On Wikipedia, there is a rule: Do not care about performance. It's the server administrators who take care of this issue. Unfortunately this is not the case on Boobpedia. I was busy creating template after template, metatemplates included in other templates, but with time I stopped outsourcing code in metatemplates. Reasons:
** Someone who has programming skills like you is able to read templates very well, and the others do not care anyway.
** '''PERFORMANCE'''. I exchanged some mails with [[User:Hexvoodoo|Hexvoodoo]] and he told me that templates significantly slow down server performance. Unlike Wikipedia, server bandwidth for Boobpedia is limited. Above all, because it has to share resources with another project. I did not know that, but it made me think and write more "straight" templates.
* Now let's have a look at {{tl|height}} and {{tl|weight}}: They are even more used than {{tl|bra size}}. Height is used on more than 2,000 pages (which is a lot for Boobpedia) and Weight on more than 1,700 pages. Numbers still growing. Now if we only change these two templates and include another template call in them, it suddenly '''doubles''' server load in every single biobox containing {{tl|height}} and {{tl|weight}}. That's the reason why I'm even thinking of reverting {{tl|bra size}} and include the two outsourced templates directly in the code. My two subtemplates are only used by {{tl|bra size}}, and so will be your two subtemplates.
* Last point: While {{tl|biobox new}} is subject to frequent changes and improvements, {{tl|height}} and {{tl|weight}} are "static". They do their job, they have no bugs, and actually it is not necessary to make the code more readable - simply because they will not have to be changed in the future. The only change to {{tl|height}} was the display of "1.70" instead of "1.7" which I considered a bug, but what was in fact more a formatting and "nice to have" issue. I don't know if you work on Wikipedia too (I don't, it was Boobpedia that led me into all this), but when I was working on the first versions of {{tl|Biobox new}} which I already included in my own pages, I thought: Man, what's wrong with my internet connection? Why does it become so slow when I save a new version of my template? Well, it wasn't my internet connection - it was the Boobpedia server which had a lot of work updating the template, although it was not included on many pages at that time. When I got the permission to work on {{tl|height}} for the "1.70" thing, it got even worse: It wasn't possible to save the template without causing the server to crash and produce a timeout. Working on Boobpedia was impossible for about five minutes. That's when I understood what Hexvoodoo meant by "Boobpedia server resources are limited". If you work on a template that is used on 1,000+ pages, it has severe consequences for performance.

That's why I think that the two subtemplates for {{tl|height}} and {{tl|weight}} are not necessary and should even be avoided. Although I admit that it would be cool to have them, but not for the price of causing double server load every time they are called.

Ah, one last thing, correct me if I'm wrong: The code of {{tl|Height_npn}} cannot be copied to {{tl|height}}. It is not downward compatible, because it does not handle the "old" parameters. If the {{tl|height}} code was replaced by the new one, it would cause all heights and weights on 2,000 pages to be deleted:

<code><nowiki>test-{{height_npn|ft=5|in=6}}-test</nowiki></code>

gives
"test-{{height_npn|ft=5|in=6}}-test"

So the result would be a template that would exist aside the existing one, but could not replace it. It could be used on future pages, but as said above, I do not see a real necessity for it. On the contrary, I'd like to suggest to standardise all measurements in infoboxes and eliminate entries like "inches" and replace them only by "in" on the whole site. We do not have bots that could do the conversion job.

Just my opinion - with some facts. I hope I did not offend you. Let me know what you think of it.

Regards

[[User:Prophecy|Prophecy]] 07:52, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

: Ignore my last argument. I did not see that you wanted {{tl|height}} to call {{tl|height_npn}}. But the rest remains the same: It's two template calls instead of one. [[User:Prophecy|Prophecy]] 08:03, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

:: Concerning "default-folding": I guess "lb" would be the first choice, because most of the models here on Boobpedia are American. As for the deeper syntax structure, I cannot give any hints. I don't know how wiki language is parsed, but Wikipedia has information on this.

:: Concerning assignments inside a template: Now '''that''''s something I'd love to have! But unfortunately there isn't such a thing as real variables inside a template (as far as I know). This would simplify great parts of every code. I've searched for this on Wikipedia, but did not find anything.

:: Regards

:: [[User:Prophecy|Prophecy]] 22:56, 25 June 2008 (EDT)

== BMI ==

Hi Drducker,

another question... I noticed that you change the body type with admirable thoroughness, calculating the BMI. This is a good thing. But as you are a native speaker, I have a question: I think that "Thin" has a somewhat negative connotation. Like "meagre" or "bones stick out" or "heroin addicted". On the other hand, when I sometimes added "Average" to a profile that was obviously edited by the model herself, she changed it to "fit" (which doesn't exist as a category here).

So my question to you: If you see an infobox with a model labeled with "thin", what do you expect? Someone "SLIM" (i. e. positive connotation) or someone "MEAGER" (negative). I always thought "slim" would be the better word.

Curious to know what you think about that.

P. S.:
I think the band size of a bra can be an indicator too. For me
* 28 to 32 is thin (28 and 30 really thin, 28 close to impossible and 32 for slim, but nice)
* 34 to 36 is average (just "normal", which I'd prefer to "average", because it's more neutral)
* 38 to 40 is chubby
* 42 to ... is BBW. Phew....

Yes, slim, normal, chubby and BBW, that'd be good.

Regards

[[User:Prophecy|Prophecy]] 10:32, 26 June 2008 (EDT)

: Your system makes sense. Although we should not touch the categories, there are thousands of models that would have to be modified (although we should follow it when changing the body type parameter like you already did). As for muscular and athletic, I share your opinion, too. But I'm afraid people would not accept an additional modifier (as they usually never read the field description), so this would end up in bioboxes containing funny data.

: But I thought of something easier: If someone types in thin, he can do it - my biobox can transform it into "Slim", and when there is no "Thin" left on Boobpedia, people will automatically start to type "slim". I'd like to skip "Thin" completely. Big bust models are mostly not really thin, and if they were, "slim" would describe them sufficiently. This would be an underground revolution... But I think in every single biobox where "thin" is displayed, "slim" would also do the job - and mostly better. I've seen so many bioboxes where people entered "slim" which turned red, because they did not know that this category doesn't exist.

: What do you think? Should we start with turning "thin" into "slim"? I could ask The Honorable to copy my code into the main template with my next update, so it will be seen Boobpedia-wide (2/3 of all pages already have the new biobox).

: Regards

: [[User:Prophecy|Prophecy]] 15:43, 26 June 2008 (EDT)

:: Cool. I vote for "skinny" though. I don't even know what "waif" means, and I guess many non-native speakers are not familiar with the word. Looking forward to your template. [[User:Prophecy|Prophecy]] 17:12, 26 June 2008 (EDT)

:::i caught this discussion just today. my opinion is that "slim" is the best choice, and that we should stick to "average" instead of "normal" (which infers other categories are abnormal). --[[User:Hexvoodoo|Hexvoodoo]] 14:29, 2 July 2008 (EDT)

:::of the list you proposed, Waif, Slim, Normal, Chubby, BBW, i prefer simplifying and rewording that to Slim, Average, Chubby, BBW. of the three other body types, Toned, Athletic, Muscular, I think Toned and Athletic are very close and the present Athletic category should be fine. so my full list would be Slim, Average, Chubby, BBW, Athletic, Muscular. --[[User:Hexvoodoo|Hexvoodoo]] 15:04, 2 July 2008 (EDT)

== div tag ==

the reason i removed the div tag was because it forced the navigation menu on the left all the way to the bottom, below the article. that effect may not show up in all browsers, but it broke the page in internet explorer.

it's also not necessary to add commented out headers. i want to keep the pages as lean as possible to minimize server load, and it's not a lot of trouble to add headers as needed. thanks for contacting me and for your good work so far. --[[User:Hexvoodoo|Hexvoodoo]] 21:46, 1 July 2008 (EDT)

:yes, using BR instead of DIV is better. since the whole thing is driven by CSS, a more powerful tag like DIV has the potential to mess up formatting somewhere. --[[User:Hexvoodoo|Hexvoodoo]] 14:26, 2 July 2008 (EDT)

== Refs to foot ==

Hi Drducker,

I noticed that you moved the References section down on some pages. Well... When I started writing articles here, that was my opinion too: As every section above can have references, it's normal that the references section is at the very end of an article.

Then another user started to move the References section above the External links section in some of my articles - I was quite upset, because he labelled his action lapidarly with "Cleaned up". I never got a response to my question why, but I started to look at Wikipedia pages. The rules there are: "near the end of an article". Then I looked at a lot of pages, and to my astonishment, the External links section was always after the References section. So I started to convert all my articles. References at the end (like before), but still above External links.

Now I see another guy (you) who has the same opinion like me before. I really don't know... Could there be a reason to have the External links after the References, or should we just let Wikipedia do what it wants and have our References at the very end of an article?

[[User:Prophecy|Prophecy]] 18:19, 3 July 2008 (EDT)

: Aimee Sweet: Agreed. This is exactly how all my articles are. For myself, I even set up guidelines where which header has to be, so you'll always find the same order of chapters in my articles. But without the double blank lines between the headers like in Aimee Sweet. And references at the very end. Like I said, Wikipedia says References should be "near" the end, and articles place them above External links, but I did not find any reason for this anywhere. Even External links could have a footnote theoretically, and it would be stupid if you'd have to look '''up''' to see the '''foot'''note.

: So I'll reconvert my articles and put the references back at the very end. It always annoyed me anyway.

: As for the guidelines: I already set up a few guidelines, and we have the help namespace for this. But it was not developed any further since the establishment of Boobpedia. There's only the two pages Help and FAQ in the navigational box, but they are outdated. I'll start to rewrite these one day, taking into account the new de facto rules that have since been established. If there is no consensus, the rules will be edited, so it won't hurt anyone - but there'd be a start. It could be simple - with How-tos that explain how to start a simple new page (that already has a predefined {{tl|Biobox new}} in it. I wrote an e-mail on that to Hexvoodoo, but never got an answer. But hey - why not simply start these pages. When they are ready they can replace the old FAQ and Help pages - with better navigation and instructions if you are searching for something. [[User:Prophecy|Prophecy]] 07:52, 4 July 2008 (EDT)

:: Er - do you really think it's a good idea to force the references at the very very bottom of an article? When I said that I'd like to have them at the end of an article, I meant that they should be the last section, but not forced to the bottom with white space between the article body and the references. I think we should not get too far away from Wikipedia standard. We should have the references at the end of an article, but not forced to the bottom. If articles get longer, this could produce unwanted empty lines. And we don't know how it looks when a page is printed. If an article gets longer, the references are at the end anyway, and I think we should not confuse readers with forced-to-bottom references. Just my opinion though. I wouldn't like my articles to be edited this way. I know what you are thinking about, though. I worked in the field of print publications formatting, and there it's normal to have the references at the very bottom of a page. But I think Wikipedia has developed its own standards in some cases, due to the "endless page" concept for example that print media don't have. Mainly I'm afraid that this would cause greater inconsistency, because there'd be thousands of pages to convert. I clearly vote for references at the end, but not forced to the bottom of a page. Perhaps ask The Honorable and other editors who write many articles for their opinion. [[User:Prophecy|Prophecy]] 14:49, 5 July 2008 (EDT)

::: I know that the blank space vanishes when the article gets longer, but it creates at least one superfluent blank line which is somewhat disturbing the layout. But this should be a minor issue. My two problems are:
* Most of the things you do reflect what I'm thinking too. References at the very bottom - the same, I tend to preferring them at the bottom like you. I was used to see them directly after the article when I joined here and I saw that Wikipedia does it the same way. Well, the question is: I support the idea of Boobpedia becoming an autonomous system of its own - with its own rules, mostly due to the specific subject. We have developed our own templates, we have cooler bioboxes, we have started a fancier chronology system (which just found its way to the main page today) - but should we really differ in the case of references? Hm... perhaps the only reason why Wikipedia has them at the end of an article is to make it easier for new editors who are not familiar with p and br and CSS.
* Ok, '''if''' we say: We have the possibility to make it better than Wikipedia, with a more stringent article formatting, because we started later - how do we
** convert the existing articles?
** get new and existing users to follow that rule too? If a new user comes from Wikipedia, he/she will certainly adapt the Wikipedia style first. So even if we converted all existing pages (we don't have bots so far), I see a problem that new users won't follow this rule and we'd still have inconsistent layouts. But ok, if there was a new style guideline (I see that it becomes more necessary every day), and if it was linked at the important places, we could get it right...

::: Ok, to cut it short: Generally I agree with you. Until today, you and me seem to be the only two users who really care about layout - that gives us the chance to set up some rules (that can be edited if there is no consensus). And perhaps you are right - somebody has to start it, otherwise how can editors know there can be a nicer style than on the existing pages.

::: Please answer on this page, I'll ask The Honorable to join the discussion. It's too difficult to follow messages on different pages, so I think it's a good idea to continue here. - [[User:Prophecy|Prophecy]] 20:47, 6 July 2008 (EDT)

I prefer References, then pay sites, then external links, though this may just be because I'm used to Wikipedia-type formatting. [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 21:22, 6 July 2008 (EDT)

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I agree that this has gotten a bit too large to be handled in the User_talk space, so I've migrated this to, consolidated in, and continued at: [[Help_talk:How_should_the_articles_be_written]]. [[User:Drducker|Drducker]] 04:45, 7 July 2008 (EDT)

Help talk:How should the articles be written

2008-07-07T08:45:20Z

Drducker: Beginnings of achieving consensus on article layout

== References ==

=== Existing Conversation ===
Transferred (and date-sorted) from: [[User_talk:Drducker#Refs_to_foot]] and [[User_talk:Prophecy#Refs to foot]]

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Hi Drducker,

I noticed that you moved the References section down on some pages. Well... When I started writing articles here, that was my opinion too: As every section above can have references, it's normal that the references section is at the very end of an article.

Then another user started to move the References section above the External links section in some of my articles - I was quite upset, because he labelled his action lapidarly with "Cleaned up". I never got a response to my question why, but I started to look at Wikipedia pages. The rules there are: "near the end of an article". Then I looked at a lot of pages, and to my astonishment, the External links section was always after the References section. So I started to convert all my articles. References at the end (like before), but still above External links.

Now I see another guy (you) who has the same opinion like me before. I really don't know... Could there be a reason to have the External links after the References, or should we just let Wikipedia do what it wants and have our References at the very end of an article?

[[User:Prophecy|Prophecy]] 18:19, 3 July 2008 (EDT)

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:My take on it is that references are what we have been calling "footnotes", and as is implied by the word itself, that means they should be at the very bottom (structural items like categories, GFDL disclaimers, and such, not withstanding).

:I'm of the opion that it might be a good idea to somewhat formalize some article writing guidelines. We certainly don't need to be anywhere near as rigorous as wikipedia, but a few loose rules could certainly go a long way.

:I'm not exactly sure of how to go about setting up such a process here, but I suppose this might be a start.

:Take a look at [[Aimee Sweet]]. That's a reasonably good example of how I think a page should look. What do you think?

:[[User:Drducker|Drducker]] 07:41, 4 July 2008 (EDT)

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:: Aimee Sweet: Agreed. This is exactly how all my articles are. For myself, I even set up guidelines where which header has to be, so you'll always find the same order of chapters in my articles. But without the double blank lines between the headers like in Aimee Sweet. And references at the very end. Like I said, Wikipedia says References should be "near" the end, and articles place them above External links, but I did not find any reason for this anywhere. Even External links could have a footnote theoretically, and it would be stupid if you'd have to look '''up''' to see the '''foot'''note.

:: So I'll reconvert my articles and put the references back at the very end. It always annoyed me anyway.

:: As for the guidelines: I already set up a few guidelines, and we have the help namespace for this. But it was not developed any further since the establishment of Boobpedia. There's only the two pages Help and FAQ in the navigational box, but they are outdated. I'll start to rewrite these one day, taking into account the new de facto rules that have since been established. If there is no consensus, the rules will be edited, so it won't hurt anyone - but there'd be a start. It could be simple - with How-tos that explain how to start a simple new page (that already has a predefined {{tl|Biobox new}} in it. I wrote an e-mail on that to Hexvoodoo, but never got an answer. But hey - why not simply start these pages. When they are ready they can replace the old FAQ and Help pages - with better navigation and instructions if you are searching for something. [[User:Prophecy|Prophecy]] 07:52, 4 July 2008 (EDT)

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::::Er - do you really think it's a good idea to force the references at the very very bottom of an article? When I said that I'd like to have them at the end of an article, I meant that they should be the last section, but not forced to the bottom with white space between the article body and the references. I think we should not get too far away from Wikipedia standard. We should have the references at the end of an article, but not forced to the bottom. If articles get longer, this could produce unwanted empty lines. And we don't know how it looks when a page is printed. If an article gets longer, the references are at the end anyway, and I think we should not confuse readers with forced-to-bottom references. Just my opinion though. I wouldn't like my articles to be edited this way. I know what you are thinking about, though. I worked in the field of print publications formatting, and there it's normal to have the references at the very bottom of a page. But I think Wikipedia has developed its own standards in some cases, due to the "endless page" concept for example that print media don't have. Mainly I'm afraid that this would cause greater inconsistency, because there'd be thousands of pages to convert. I clearly vote for references at the end, but not forced to the bottom of a page. Perhaps ask The Honorable and other editors who write many articles for their opinion.

:::: [[User:Prophecy|Prophecy]] 14:49, 5 July 2008 (EDT)

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:::::Compare [[Aimee Sweet]] with [[Amanda White]]. The actual code that pushes it down is the same: <nowiki></nowiki>, which means that as a shorter article get longer, the extra space goes away. It's not "real" white space, only a bit of CSS doing it. And it means that the references are always available with a simple [END] key-press.

:::::I think of the references as being more ''Meta''-Article rather than real article, much the same way the categories are. You'll note that the category box is also always at the bottom. Likewise the <nowiki>{{GFDL}}</nowiki> disclaimer is about the ''article itself'', rather than the subject of the article, and should also, IMHO, be at the end of the page.

:::::It seems like you get most of what I'm putting forth here, but this is kind of why I thought something a bit more formalized would be a good idea; While I'd obviously advocate for the way I've been doing it, if the consensus was something else I'd go along with that too.

:::::[[User:Drducker|Drducker]] 20:25, 6 July 2008 (EDT)

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:::::: I know that the blank space vanishes when the article gets longer, but it creates at least one superfluent blank line which is somewhat disturbing the layout. But this should be a minor issue. My two problems are:
::::::* Most of the things you do reflect what I'm thinking too. References at the very bottom - the same, I tend to preferring them at the bottom like you. I was used to see them directly after the article when I joined here and I saw that Wikipedia does it the same way. Well, the question is: I support the idea of Boobpedia becoming an autonomous system of its own - with its own rules, mostly due to the specific subject. We have developed our own templates, we have cooler bioboxes, we have started a fancier chronology system (which just found its way to the main page today) - but should we really differ in the case of references? Hm... perhaps the only reason why Wikipedia has them at the end of an article is to make it easier for new editors who are not familiar with p and br and CSS.
::::::* Ok, '''if''' we say: We have the possibility to make it better than Wikipedia, with a more stringent article formatting, because we started later - how do we
::::::** convert the existing articles?
::::::** get new and existing users to follow that rule too? If a new user comes from Wikipedia, he/she will certainly adapt the Wikipedia style first. So even if we converted all existing pages (we don't have bots so far), I see a problem that new users won't follow this rule and we'd still have inconsistent layouts. But ok, if there was a new style guideline (I see that it becomes more necessary every day), and if it was linked at the important places, we could get it right...

:::::: Ok, to cut it short: Generally I agree with you. Until today, you and me seem to be the only two users who really care about layout - that gives us the chance to set up some rules (that can be edited if there is no consensus). And perhaps you are right - somebody has to start it, otherwise how can editors know there can be a nicer style than on the existing pages.

:::::: Please answer on this page, I'll ask The Honorable to join the discussion. It's too difficult to follow messages on different pages, so I think it's a good idea to continue here. -

:::::: [[User:Prophecy|Prophecy]] 20:47, 6 July 2008 (EDT)

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I prefer References, then pay sites, then external links, though this may just be because I'm used to Wikipedia-type formatting. [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 21:22, 6 July 2008 (EDT)

=== Concerns Expressed: ===

==== Extraneous Line ====
I think I figured out that using a <nowiki></nowiki> tag will allow that problem to be resolved, either through some sort of main.css setting, or by using custom styling in the tag itself. P, being a container tag should allow it to be rendered at 1px (or even 0px) height; BR always added a line because that's what it does. Took me a while to figure that out ;) I do still need to go through and fix my older BR edits, and figure out if setting the height will actually work. As to the the double lines between sections, that was purely about having the code in the edit box be more legible, and isn't anything I consider strictly necessary. [[User:Drducker|Drducker]] 04:45, 7 July 2008 (EDT)

==== Conversion of existing articles ====
The number of articles here is still moderately small; It would take a while, but simply correcting them as we go would probably not be too onerous at this point. If that is however too much, some sort of 5 minute-cycle activated light script/bot could probably handle it with fair ease (I'll look at the possibilities there and get back). [[User:Drducker|Drducker]] 04:45, 7 July 2008 (EDT)

==== Getting users to do it ====
Well first we should probably invite the regular users to these discussions. For example: [[User:Apara‎]], [[User:Dekkappai]], [[User:Bustanut]] seem to be pretty heavy editors right now. Beyond that having a consistent location to send new editors to would do wonders. The main page off this discussion is my poor start at such. [[User:Drducker|Drducker]] 04:45, 7 July 2008 (EDT)

==== Doing it like Wikipedia ====
Wikipedia's articles have a very different purpose as ours do, so I don't think we should necessarily feel constrained by their process. Mind you, they've been through a lot so it's worth paying attention to what they've done, so as to avoid the same pitfalls. In the case of references, the thinking was probably something related to assuring the credibility of the site as a whole, as well as the specific article in question; For the readers of this site, the exact veracity of the facts may not be the first thing in their minds ;). [[User:Drducker|Drducker]] 04:45, 7 July 2008 (EDT)

=== Proposals Regarding References ===
Proposals at this point:
(Mark yourself as for something by signing with four tildes <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>)

Order:
# Pay Sites then External Links then References then Disclaimers then Categories. (For: [[User:Drducker|Drducker]] 04:45, 7 July 2008 (EDT) )
# References then pay sites then External Links then Disclaimers then Categories. (For: )

Layout:
# References as a pushed-down piece of meta-info. (For: [[User:Drducker|Drducker]] 04:45, 7 July 2008 (EDT) )
# References contained within the normal flow of the article. (For: )

Help:How should the articles be written

2008-07-07T08:44:59Z

Drducker: Beginnings of achieving consensus on article layout

==General==

Articles should be written from a neutral point of view, using factual, objective statements. A common tendency is to use subjective words such as "hot", "beautiful", "best", and "top". This happens because the writer is a fan of the article subject, but neutrality is compromised by writing from a fan's point of view. Passive phrases such as "considered to be" or "considered by many to be" are also warning signs that opinions are being passed as facts.

Adult magazines and websites often try to talk up a model using vivid descriptions or cute language, and a lot of filler material. Boobpedia's purpose is not to arouse the reader or to sell a model, but to present information only. The editor should refrain from copying the promotional writing style.

It is entirely acceptable to have a short, one-sentence article. An article can be as short as "Jane Doe is an adult model", which is better than a longer article with lots of filler and no additional information.

==Formatting and layout==

See the [[Help_talk:How_should_the_articles_be_written|discussion]] page for this topic.

User talk:Prophecy

2008-07-07T00:25:03Z

Drducker: /* Refs to foot */

==Citing==
Actually, [http://www.boobpedia.com/butler/index.php?title=Xanthia_Doll&diff=44309&oldid=33651 my citations] are pretty basic, especially compared with [[Special:Contributions/Dekkappai|Dekkappai]]'s. :) [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 01:16, 12 April 2008 (EDT)

I just wanted to let you know that you're doing a fine job. The article on [[Arkadia]], for one, is very nicely done. [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 21:39, 17 April 2008 (EDT)

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Thank you! It was my first article. I don't know how these talk pages work so far, so this is a test. I hope you get my reply.

Hm... I got here because I'm often using Boobpedia as a reference for my Natural Big Tits Directory I'm running on FreeOnes:

Current version (may be followed by newer posts in the future):
http://board.freeones.com/showthread.php?p=2107943#post2107943

As you can see, I have listed many many models who aren't on Boobpedia yet, so now that I managed to write my first article, I hope that I'll find the time to write more. I only have to take care that I do not make circle references. :-)

I have an important question/suggestion:

What always struck me is that Boobpedia hasn't got a category for "Bra size". It's always difficult to add a bra size (consisting of band and cup size) to an article, because it doesn't really fit in the "measurements" entry, and in "cup size" it's not correct either. But I think it's very important. A woman wearing a 40D bra hasn't got really big breasts compared with her overall body measurements, but a 32D cup can be considered as quite big. So my suggestion is:

Why not make a template for the bra size? (I don't know how to do this so far) The cup size can be included in this template, so it remains searchable. Something like:

{ { brasize|band=34|cup=D } }

The band size can remain optional (if possible), so if people only know the cup size, they can just enter the cup size.

This way we could avoid all the various entries in the "measurements" field. Correct data for a woman with a 34D bra would be for example:

'''measurements: 38-26-36''' (with no cup or bra size added)

'''bra size: 34D''' (because 34 + D as fourth letter makes 38, following the generally known method to calculate a bra size which Boobpedia lists itself)

People could still enter "free" data if they are not familiar with bra sizes, but for those who like to be correct, the bra size template would help a lot. I think a page named "boobpedia" should offer this possibility.

Regards

Prophecy

: I'll have to think about that, as I'm not sure I understand bra sizes well enough to do something like that yet. :) Also, I've taken bnarod.ru off the spamfilter for now -- I assume they're just a free hosting site? [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 09:13, 19 April 2008 (EDT)

:: Thanks for Rimma! I just edited the page now. As for the bra sizes: Perhaps I'll make a suggestion when I know how to do templates. Or am I not allowed to define one as a normal user? --[[User:Prophecy|Prophecy]] 14:09, 19 April 2008 (EDT)

::: Sure, regular users can create templates too. I suggest studying Wikipedia's templates -- since there are so many, there's bound to be something there that you can build on. [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 01:32, 20 April 2008 (EDT)

==Biobox==
I've added ModelMayhem (and YouTube) to the biobox; just add modelmayhem=whatever-their-id-number-is. [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 13:39, 20 April 2008 (EDT)

: This is great, thank you! Just a little thing: Model Mayhem is written in two words (see top banner at their page, only the URL is written in one word. Would be nice if you adapted this in the biobox text (ModelMayhem -> Model Mayhem). Thanks! [[User:Prophecy|Prophecy]] 15:52, 20 April 2008 (EDT)

== Quotations ==

Italicized quotes are fine. Personally, I prefer indented but non-italicized, but italicized quotes are so common here and on Wikipedia that it's pointless for me to singlehandedly try and change things. :) [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 19:22, 21 April 2008 (EDT)

== FreeOnes ==
Either of your suggestions is fine. I don't think FreeOnes has an affiliate program of their own; I always assumed they were mostly a collection of affiliate links to other sites. Not that there's anything wrong with that... [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 21:53, 23 April 2008 (EDT)

==Redirects==
For identical/similar names that are uncommon, like [[Samantha Fox]], I usually do a disambiguation page à la Wikipedia. For common first names, disambiguation pages probably wouldn't get kept up to date, so I've been moving articles about, say, "Jane," to "Jane (example.com)" and deleting the redirect, so that someone searching for "Jane" gets the search result, and not just whichever Jane happened to get their article at [[Jane]]. (If I'm not explaining this well, let me know. :) [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 20:44, 24 April 2008 (EDT)
* That's exactly how I would handle similar/identical names. Ideally there would be *some* way to differentiate multiple Isabellas; if there's only one who's well known as just "Isabella," "Isabella (adult model)" might work as an article title. Also, how many SuicideGirls have "common" names? Reagan and Apnea come to mind... :)
==Japanese bra sizes==
Thanks, Prophecy-- Actually, I'd seen your work in this area and was about to leave a comment. Sorry, I don't know how the Japanese sizes convert-- My wife is Korean, and they use A-B-C over there for cup-sizes, but metric for the measurements. (B was the highest commonly-available size at local shops when I lived there, so my wife had to make her lingerie purchases around the U.S. posts ;-). One thing I wanted to point out about the Japanese though is that they give an upper-bust, and an under-bust measurement, which is the ribcage. (This would be very useful in calculating actual boobage-- and I remember for a short time in the late '80s there was a time when magazines would give a difference between the two in their statistics). For example [http://www.moodyz.com/actress/-/detail/=/id=4732/ THIS] profile of [[Aki Tomosaki]] gives her bust measurement (100cm) and then cup-underbust measurement (G-cup, 70cm). This is a fairly common way of listing measurements-- especially with the bustier models-- so implementing it in your template might be a good idea. Sorry I couldn't be more help in this fascinating area of research, but I encourage you to continue, and will take time to look into your template and its usage. Cheers! [[User:Dekkappai|Dekkappai]] 18:26, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
:I'm looking around Google for some help here, Prohphecy-- [http://www.japan-guide.com/forum/quereadisplay.html?0+48520 THIS] might help you out. [[User:Dekkappai|Dekkappai]] 18:40, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
::Thanks, Prophecy-- Feel free to add your template to the articles. The G/H-cup difference in Aki Tomosaki's profile is probably because I got the H off another profile. I believe in sticking pretty close to the sources, but if one source is more accurate than another, feel free to use the correct one. If the official profile is "incorrect," though-- I think like John Ford in ''The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance''-- "When the legend becomes fact, print the legend." If "fact" differs from the profile, I say we still put the profile measurement in the article, maybe with a note as to its accuracy... No big deal to me either way though. [[User:Dekkappai|Dekkappai]] 19:03, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
::No-- that G does mean cup-size in Aki Tomosaki's profile. I don't know where I got the H, maybe a video cover... Right-- [[Fuko]]'s P-cup is a publicity gimmick. [[Ran Masaki]] probably pioneered the bust-size exaggeration in Japan. I think the bust-exaggeration really started with [[Kimiko Matsuzaka]]'s "110.7" centimeters, which was a typographical pun on "ii onna"-- "Good woman." Then the cup-exaggeration thing really started with [[Mariko Morikawa]]'s "Q-cup", which was, no doubt, a take-off on the old ''Ultra-Q'' TV science-fiction show, the precursor to ''Ultra Man''. I guess companies need their gimmicks to sell, but all these models are perfectly lovely as is, without the hype. A Fuko by any other cup-letter would be just as sweet... :) OK, I have to log off for the day-- keep up the good work! [[User:Dekkappai|Dekkappai]] 19:38, 30 April 2008 (EDT)

== Bra size template ==

Allow me to give you a hearty "holy crap!" :) Nice job.

I can protect the template from being edited, but this would lock you out too (of course, Hexvoodoo or I could unlock it for you if you needed to edit it). Let me know if you do want it protected, and it will be done. [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 21:08, 30 April 2008 (EDT)

==Metric / U.S. bras ==
Hi Prophecy-- I've noticed a couple of the Japanese subjects have the Metric (G, for example) cup-size in the infobox, and then the U.S. size ("D cup") at the bottom under categories. This seems a good compromise on the situation, since they're known by their metric measurements to fans of the genre, and U.S. fans, just looking for a nice, Japanese D-cup, can still find them by browsing the category. Sound OK? [[User:Dekkappai|Dekkappai]] 16:53, 2 May 2008 (EDT)

==Engrish==
Tragically, yes, I am a native English speaker. Who hasn't been getting enough sleep lately. :) [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 23:55, 2 May 2008 (EDT)

== Heading titles ==

Your article format is fine. I don't have a strong preference for what to call the section of the article about posing in front of a camera, but you raise a good point about "Career" being too broad. My [[Naughty Alysha]] changes were due to sloppy reverting, not because of any preference about the section title. [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 10:21, 3 May 2008 (EDT)

You're right about the italics; I missed the italics on "RadioX." With regards to the photographer stuff, a biobox just for photographers might be a good idea. What are your plans with the <nowiki>{{photographer}}</nowiki> template? [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 20:12, 3 May 2008 (EDT)

Instead of a biobox just for photographers, I've been thinking about a general "non-performers" biobox that could also be used for directors, artists, etc. Also, you've done some impressive work on the photographer templates, though I worry that you're getting carried away from the main point of Boobpedia, i.e., boobs, and their owners. :) [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 13:46, 4 May 2008 (EDT)

My idea for the nonperformer biobox is to use a cut-down version of the regular biobox -- taking out measurements, what sex acts they've performed on camera :) , etc. That way, if they do go in front of the camera, an editor can change the template name from [currently-untitled-biobox] to biobox, add the new fields, and it's done. [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 14:58, 4 May 2008 (EDT)

== Media licensing ==

For Creative Commons photos, I would upload it with "none selected" for the license, and then add the appropriate CC info. Also, I'll see if we can add Creative Commons as a proper menu option. [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 20:51, 5 May 2008 (EDT)
* Choosing "none selected" doesn't add a template, like the other options do. If you add the CC license information in the summary, or go back and add it after uploading, all should be fine. [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 18:47, 6 May 2008 (EDT)

== Pin up models ==
Thanks Prophecy, I try my best what I can gather and share it here on Boobpedia. I'm sure everyone here appreciates my work, but thanks for the acknowledgement.-Apara 20:32, 6 May 2008 (EDT)

==Angelique==
I tend to agree with you -- I think the biobox photo should be representative of how they are best known. But I'll let you and Biguns sort it out. :) [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 15:04, 7 May 2008 (EDT)

==Angelique photo==
Where can I find the photo spread of Angelique in latex? I like all of the work you have done to her page! [[User:Msjayhawk|Msjayhawk]] 21:28, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

== Home page ==
I had to call it something, and that was the first thing that came to mind. :) How about "official website"? [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 16:46, 7 May 2008 (EDT)

Specifically assigning a color for the table header seems to work. I put in #ccc just to get a different color, but you can play with the color if you want. [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 22:19, 7 May 2008 (EDT)

== Steve Diet Goedde bio ==
It looks like the Wikipedia bio is mostly plagiarized from his site. I would suggest stripping it down to something more basic until an original bio can be written. [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 19:57, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

== photographer categorization ==

hi prophecy. i wasn't able to work on boobpedia for some time, so i'm just now catching up. i have seen your work on putting photographer categories in model pages. may i suggest that these categories be named slightly differently. for example, from [[:Category:James Bertoni]] to [[:Category:James Bertoni models]], and [[James Bertoni]] to [[James Bertoni models]]. we have done this for directors, and it's best to keep things consistent. it's also less confusing than having just a male name as a category. --[[User:Hexvoodoo|Hexvoodoo]] 19:59, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

== tables ==
I think that's caused by Wikipedia and Boobpedia using different CSS. You'd have to ask [[User:Hexvoodoo|Hexvoodoo]], because my CSS knowledge is limited, and I don't think I have access to stylesheets here anyway. :)

There's no policy here about table formatting -- [[Big Naturals]] has internal borders (sort of). [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 16:07, 18 May 2008 (EDT)

== Vanessa (Montagne) ==
I don't know. I've asked on [[User:Vanessa|Vanessa]]'s user page. [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 19:45, 21 May 2008 (EDT)
* Good detective work. [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 20:29, 22 May 2008 (EDT)

If Vanessa deletes the information again without explanation, I'll block the account from editing. That should get her(?) attention. [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 13:31, 26 May 2008 (EDT)

== nude model redirection ==

since there are many articles that use the [[nude model]] redirection, and it has always been used in place of adult model, i don't think we should redirect that to fine art nude models. in fact, we probably shouldn't change the redirect for [[nude]] either, to keep things consistent. in cases where we are referring to fine art nudes we can expressly state that. --[[User:Hexvoodoo|Hexvoodoo]] 16:39, 22 May 2008 (EDT)

:there are a lot of current articles using [[nude model]] - see [[Special:Whatlinkshere/Nude_model]]. --[[User:Hexvoodoo|Hexvoodoo]] 16:46, 22 May 2008 (EDT)

::even though all of them could be changed, i don't think we should. most people outside the fine arts community think nude model is the same as adult model, and it's also very descriptive to add "art" or "artistic" for links where they are supposed to go to fine art nude model. --[[User:Hexvoodoo|Hexvoodoo]] 16:50, 22 May 2008 (EDT)

:::yes the category themselves don't need work, but the very fact that we have so many instances of [[nude model]] referring to adult models signifies that they are commonly (mis)understood as the same thing. academically you may be right, but realistically we have to follow the masses. in places where you want [[nude]] or [[nude model]] to go to fine art nude models, it's not a bad idea to add art or fine art to the terms anyway. --[[User:Hexvoodoo|Hexvoodoo]] 16:58, 22 May 2008 (EDT)

::::for one, sometimes an editor uses nude model to break up the monotony of saying adult model all the time. secondly, it's not really about a battle of the percentages. it doesn't have to be 50 50 in usage for us to consider the two terms as equivalents. thirdly, i know that you are willing to do the work, but i always have to consider the impact this has on the project and the visitors. while it only helps to add art or artistic as descriptive terms, redirecting all "nude" or "nude model" to fine art nude models has the potential to confuse readers. i don't think these terms should have their redirections changed. --[[User:Hexvoodoo|Hexvoodoo]] 17:12, 22 May 2008 (EDT)

::::one last point for consideration is this [http://www.google.com/trends?q=adult+model,nude+model&ctab=0&geo=US&date=all&sort=0 google trends]. there are several times more searches for nude model than for adult model. since it's obvious that more people search for porn than fine art nudes, the masses do in fact consider nude as a porn/adult term. --[[User:Hexvoodoo|Hexvoodoo]] 17:18, 22 May 2008 (EDT)

:::::i like your last idea. that should work well. --[[User:Hexvoodoo|Hexvoodoo]] 17:28, 22 May 2008 (EDT)

::::::is there a way to show that message only when someone gets to that page through the [[nude model]] redirection? right now it's there even when visiting [[:category:adult models|adult models]] directly. --[[User:Hexvoodoo|Hexvoodoo]] 17:59, 22 May 2008 (EDT)

== Biobox ==
I've added the BGAFD to the biobox.

Also, any suggestions for the biobox layout are welcome. There are probably better and more compact ways to present the information; it's just a matter of someone figuring it out. [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 21:28, 22 May 2008 (EDT)

== .svg ==

That's Hexvoodoo's area -- I don't have access to any of that stuff. [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 18:03, 23 May 2008 (EDT)

== Test biobox categories ==
You could comment out the categories in your test biobox...
:<nowiki></nowiki>
...and then re-enable them when you need to test them. [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 16:41, 24 May 2008 (EDT)

== Height template ==
Done. Be sure to let me know when you're done tweaking it. [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 21:03, 27 May 2008 (EDT)

== New biobox ==

I haven't played with it much yet, but so far it looks good. [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 13:23, 31 May 2008 (EDT)

I'm missing the field 'measurements'. Has it been removed? [[User:bnatic|bnatic]]

== [[:Image:Question book-new.gif]] ==

Where did you get [[:Image:Question book-new.gif]]? I'm assuming it's a free-use type of icon, but we need to know its source. (Fair-use claims probably won't work for navigation icons). [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 19:56, 1 June 2008 (EDT)

==Re:Filmography at Fuko's and other pages. ==
Thanks for the note on my work, Prophecy. I've noticed that you are working quite hard on templates formats, etc. but because of my extremely limited time here, I haven't been able to see exactly what it is you-- or the other editors here-- are doing. I took a look at the new biobox just now and I think it looks great! The more we can get away from Wikipedia-type formatting and into formatting specifically suited to Boobpedia, the better I think.

If you follow my editing history, you'll notice I don't contribute for a day or so, then I add to articles in a frenzy within a half-hour or hour at the most. This is because I have no home Internet connection, and my time for BP-safe editing is extremely limited. I do most of my real article-writing off-line at home, then in the hour I have during the day, I upload that work, and then do my researching and image-searching, which I work through later at home. This is the reason my editing may not be in synch with what is going on here at Boobpedia. I'm mostly feeling my way in the dark-- just making up these table formats, citation styles, etc., on my own as I go along. I contribute more to work-safe Wikipedia, in similar subject matter-- Japanese erotic cinema-- so I model a lot my work here around that-- with the exception that images are tolerated here, especially in the filmography tables. I don't have time to read through BP rules and guidelines, or even other editors' work... I would like to, but I can't. If you point me to any key guidelines or formats, I'll copy the info and study it at home to use in my own editing. As far as making a general BP-wide standard table format-- I think it's a fine idea. You can get see what format I have come up with during my work here from some of my recent work at these articles like [[Saori Sekihara]], [[Boku no Oppai]], or [[Rin Aoki]]. I'm open to suggestions on how to improve this.

My general editing/article-building procedure has been to start with a list-- [[Big Breasted Japanese AV Actresses‎]] or [[List of Cinema Unit GAS DVDs]], for example. These lists-- especially the video series-- allow me to upload a lot of video covers, which can be displayed at the main series article, and then easily linked into the filmographies of each of the actresses. As I blue-link each actress on the list, I work through their own filmographies and find new series and new actresses... Then I start on a new series, which leads me to more new actresses, etc... I try to keep updating the main lists with the new information/new actresses as they come into my view, and later as I take time to read through video descriptions later to fill out careers/biographies of these actresses later. Because my time here is so limited, my work is slow, but I have found this a good, orderly and interesting way to work through the Japanese big-boob genre-- a subject which can be very difficult to research.

About the image redirects: I wanted them to be clickable to different images-- It looks like the images on your page are regular thumb-to-full clicks. For these videos at [[The Bomber Girl series]], I wanted to have the front-cover images on the main article, because the full front & back cover doesn't really look good in a filmography table. But I did want to have the full front & back cover images displayable through clicking on the thumbs-- for obvious aesthetic reasons :-) I didn't know how to do this, but the Honorable recommended a redirect. If there is a better way of doing this, or anything else, point me to how to do it, and I'll be happy to employ it. Keep up the great work! [[User:Dekkappai|Dekkappai]] 17:03, 2 June 2008 (EDT)

== Livejournal in biobox ==
It did work for me, but I'm not sure if every browser can deal with underscores in a hostname. Just being cautious. :) [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 16:30, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

== Removing Categories ==
Hey Prophecy

Yeah I never really agreed with it either. So I went to look how many where under that category. 270 or so, I thought it would be a bigger amount. But of course I found some articles mislabeled. Also the new biobox works great. Definitely more organized than the previous one. [[User:Apara|Apara]] 04:06, 5 June 2008 (EDT)

== Birthdays ==
I've been wanting to do something with birthdays, but it would have been clunky with the old biobox. We could go ahead and do categories for the birth dates, and then figure out if there's a way to automatically post them on the front page. (The main page is updated manually -- I ''can'' edit it, but I usually leave it to Hexvoodoo.) [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 18:03, 5 June 2008 (EDT)
: Just don't go creating 366 categories before we make sure everything works. :) [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 18:12, 5 June 2008 (EDT)

== Categories ahoy ==

With all the template and category work you've been doing, I'm starting to think you're a bot. :) [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 22:29, 7 June 2008 (EDT)
: :) [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 23:04, 7 June 2008 (EDT)

== Kelly Monaco ==

No, no, everything's fixed, I think. [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 19:05, 8 June 2008 (EDT)

== template:cl ==

It has been unprotected. [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 19:16, 8 June 2008 (EDT)

== Dates ==

Good point, I hadn't thought of other things that the dates might be used for. Maybe someday we'll have date and year articles like Wikipedia, listing major events in big-boob history. :) [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 22:09, 8 June 2008 (EDT)

== Reverting Cup Sizes ==
Yeah, I wondered why no one caught on about Msjayhawk's changes to cup sizes and adding them by observing. So I decided to look through them all. After I did the "large areola" clean up. [[User:Apara|Apara]] 23:28, 8 June 2008 (EDT)

== Old vs. new biobox ==
Don't worry, I'm not very attached to the old biobox. I threw it together quickly and was never quite happy with how it looked. I will probably replace the old biobox with your new one soon, but I want to wait a bit more to make sure that everything works okay.

As for our Tammi Tyler fan, I think I'll wait until he finishes the article before cleaning up after him. :) [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 23:54, 8 June 2008 (EDT)

No problem, I hadn't protected it yet. :) [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 14:52, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

== the direction of boobpedia ==

hi prophecy, sorry i didn't get back to you sooner. i'll try to answer the last few questions from you, then discuss something i have in mind.

i could allow svg file uploads, but i see that you've already used gif equivalents so that may no longer be necessary.

if another editor seems to have missed your edit summaries, it's best to try communicating through user talk pages first.

i like the new biobox you have made. very good job! i think we can retire the old one and move the code for biobox new into biobox.

let's talk about something i've had mind for a while now. i have seen a lot of work done by you on various aspects of boobpedia - most of which i agree with and really like, but i do have a few concerns:

# wikipedia does a lot of things right, but i never liked the disturbing trend of many of its articles having increasing disclaimers of how the article is deficient in one way or another. "policing the articles", as i call it, instead of improving content detracts from the core mission of a wiki. i don't want boobpedia to become just a clone of wikipedia with a different subject. realistically, a lot of information in boobpedia can never have the same level of attribution and references as more general subjects can. by tagging articles with disclaimers like "needs reference" and categories like "unsourced since june 2008", we will just end up with a bunch of articles permanently disfigured. it is quite clear to see what is referenced and what is not referenced by looking at an article. wikipedia has ended up with a lot of these useless disclamiers because of an imbalance between policing and content development. when they see unsourced information, rather than looking for a source, they put on a tag and hope for others to do the actual work. i would rather boobpedia editors do it the opposite way.
# boobpedia's main goal is to serve up information on busty women. it's not really a general wiki on adult subjects, therefore i consider things which don't directly help readers locate information on the models/actresses to be impediments. this is why we still have so many top level cup size or physical attribute categories, even though in the past there have been attempts to clean things up by putting them into subcategories. i think the contents category is unnecessary - most readers are here for the articles, and don't quite care for things intended for regular editors. it's probably best if we just have a category called Maintenance and put all editor-related things in there. i have time for editing this week, so i'll do some organizing of the categories.
# the last thing has to do with templates. i'd like to minimize the number of templates to those which are absolutely necessary. we don't have nearly the same server resources as wikipedia and can't have unlimited templates. whenever possible, please consider alternatives to adding another template. even manually using an article's title in place of <nowiki>{{PAGENAME}}</nowiki> helps in the long run. if a template is only going to be used in a small number of pages, it's probably better to manually input the information ourselves.

please let me know what you think. keep the discussion here as i'll invite the honorable to come and join us. thanks and keep up the good work! --[[User:Hexvoodoo|Hexvoodoo]] 17:17, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

: Hi Hexvoodoo,

: thanks for your reply. Here are a few remarks for me:

# .svg: I'd appreciate very much if you allowed them, because it takes a lot of work to convert .svgs to .gifs, and .svgs are endlessly resizable. It would save a lot of time if they were allowed.
# Disclaimers and unsourced statements: I am not a Wikipedia user, it was Boobpedia that got me into all this. :-) Now that I've read a lot about the Wikipedia headnotes, I know that there are many Wikipedians just passing by and leaving a tag instead of finding the information. But: There are some users just passing by and writing down cup and bra sizes judging by their eye. I think this is such an important information for a site like Boobpedia that we cannot leave information on boobs unsourced. So far it was only me who tagged a few articles. Result: A few users checked these articles, found the user who added cup sizes at will and corrected all of the articles! Boobpedia has become a source for many forums and is cited there - that's why we should be reliable in this field. The creation of {{tl|ambox}} was just a start to see how it works. The tags do not have to be put at the top of a page, and they do not have to be so big. As for my intention with the tags: For most of the articles, I put them in the pages to better find them later, because I wanted to add information. Boobpedia has become so big now that it needs tags like these. I could write a clear note (like at Wikipedia) that {{tl|unreferenced}} should generally '''not''' be used, but the information has to be added. Besides, we should be aware that the articles start to contain statements about living persons. These persons see when users click on links in their articles and become aware of the fact that they are listed here. {{photographer|Kevin Hundsnurscher|nocategory=1}} added to his article, and [[Ulorin Vex]] asked to be categorised in another category than {{cl|Adult models}}. I just deleted a few statements about alcohol and drug problems of [[Xanthia Doll]], because I could not find any sources - before this causes problems. I think this is fair, and if a tag at the top of an article can help improve it, it's fine. I only put {{tl|unreferenced}} on articles that had much text, but no sources at all. Most likely copied from Wikipedia, but I did not have the time to check that. Adding a {{tl|GFDL}} to the article helps, and the tag can be removed. Please do not delete {{tl|ambox}} and related templates, and do not remove the tags from the articles - I want to work on them later. As for me, they are very helpful.
# Categories: I did not change any of the top level catgories, and I wouldn't, just because of the reasons you mentionend. It's fine that Boobpedia has a "Browse categories" link in the navigation bar, while Wikipedia doesn't. I agree with you that we should leave the top level categories as they are (I only categorised some of them under additional categories), but '''please''' do not change anything. You do not need to reorganise anything anyway - all editor related categories are already in "Contents/Boobpedia administration" and nowhere else. I really need these categories, because otherwise I cannot keep track of my templates and development tools. The Contents category: I created it today, for the purpose of having one root category for all the others. Contents is now placed at the top of the category page so that it's somewhat outside the "regular boob categories" visitors may look for, but still easy to find and in a prominent place for admins and editors who are looking for tools. And for visitors who prefer a structurised approach when they look for information. I think that's a good comprimise - It's the only new top level category; the rest remains unchanged. My suggestion: Leaving the top level categories untouched, but also leaving the "Contents" category where it is. There were quite a few categories that were "sunken" in other categories or could not be found at all. I took them back to the surface, and that was a huge amount of work. I'd appreciate if this structure could be maintained. As said - you do not have to reorganise anything, because it's already done. No top level category has vanished, all editor related categories are under one single category, and many of the more "hidden" categories can be found easier now. Please notify me if you plan to reorganise any of the subcategories so that I can explain my reasons for specific classifications.
# Templates: Ok. That's why I even suggested replacing all biobox templates by a metatemplate the type of which can be triggered with somehing like <code>type =</code>. But these are future plans. By the way, if you have a look at my templates, you will see that 90% of them are high-use templates that are on 300+, 500+ or 1,000+ pages. I try to only create templates that really help people and can be used for many purposes.

: One more question: Is there a way that I can be granted the right to edit my own templates that have been protected? I introduced the /sandbox system to reduce server load, but I don't want to bother The Honorable or you all the time to unprotect and reprotect templates when I have finished my work on them.

: Regards [[User:Prophecy|Prophecy]] 18:11, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

References I'm guilty of neglecting of using when I make my articles and/or find information. When I first started making articles, I never really got the use of it. After observing other editor’s articles. I'm starting to become more aware of the use and most likely starting to use them. One thing I also notice was the over use of some categories. I did a "sweep" of some categories the past week. I noticed how some articles are uncategorized, especially with "large areolas". Also had to revert some cup sizes on many articles from users who determined what the articles cup sizes were by just observation of the model's pictures. Basically when I'm saying is, the un-source template is useful and helpful (especially with cup sizes) for such articles that seem to be edit without references and just by observation.
[[User:Apara|Apara]] 20:25, 9 June 2008 (EDT)
: Thanks for the invitation, Hex. I'll offer a few thoughts, but haven't really had the opportunity to read through all of the above, or to view how these issues are being worked out in articles throughout BP.
: One thing that has always bothered me about Wikipedia is the ratio of talk to article-- for any one line of actual article text there are dozens of lines of talk, Afd, rules, interpretation of rules, RfC, RfA, and all the rest of that power-play garbage, which is often irrelevant, if not actually detrimental to actually building the encyclopedia. BP is a refreshing change of pace to that, because here, basically, I just research, contribute, and occasionally share a thought or two, on topic, with another editor. I hope BP remains this way. That said, except for the recent interactions with Prophecy, and questions I've asked Honorable, I do feel like I'm working in the dark a lot here. So I think a group discussion on where we are, and where we go from here is a good idea at this time.
: I think you deserve lots of credit for the new biobox, Prophecy. I mentioned to you before also that I think this is the direction BP should head-- to customize all the more generic Wiki features into BP-specific formats. Your biobox takes the generic Wiki format and highlights just what is of interest to the general BP user.
: The more techie issues and questions are beyond my knowledge, so I leave them up to you and the others to work out. I'm certainly more a "content" guy than a "format" guy-- another thing that is getting me into a bad position at WP... but that's another story. I completely agree with Hex on the maintenance templates. At Wikipedia the behind-the-scenes (the editing) so often shows itself onstage (the articles), which is not good. I haven't seen the maintenance templates. But, though they may have worked out fine this time, there is still the potential of WP-like indefinitely-templated/defaced articles. We should be able to come up with a better way of noting work that needs to be done. Projects are a good Wiki-concept which might work for BP for maintenance issues. One of Wiki's problems, I think, and its virtue, is that it is so spread out. There, the project system has helped, I think. Articles can be watched by an umbrella group, and worked on by editors with interest and knowledge in that particular area. Maybe we could create a "maintenance" project-- '''a page which lists maintenance issues in certain articles-- ("So & so is unsourced")-- which editors can scan from time to time and work on.'''

:: Exactly. That's why I created this: {{cl|Boobpedia maintenance}} It's already there. :-) Articles tagged with the templates appear here, and I simply love to go through and see what I can add. Already fixed a few articles. [[User:Prophecy|Prophecy]] 19:28, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

: Although maybe, in the case of maintenance, just pages listing issues would suffice. One for "Copyedit," one for "Sourcing," etc... When an editor notices a problem, but doesn't have time to work on it, he could list it for those who do. Though BP is probably not big enough for more specific projects at the moment, it would be nice to be able to create them eventually-- "Japan Project," "Playboy Project," "BBW Project," "Russ Meyer Project," whatever... And these projects would help with maintenance issues.
: I'll be happy to give input on any of these issues, just understand that my BP-safe online time is extremely limited. Uploading an researching will get priority, but I'll contribute to discussions when I can. (Also, I need to get off my butt and get that damned home Internet connection fixed!) [[User:Dekkappai|Dekkappai]] 19:20, 10 June 2008 (EDT)
::(Reply to Prophecy above) Ah, well that's where my inability to enjoy BP at my leisure puts me at a disadvantage in any discussion... If your templates are just categories listed at the bottom of pages, I see no problem with that. But if they are big, Wiki-style banners plastered across the top of the article, I'm against that. Maybe I should just hold off comment here until I can get the home internet working again. :-) [[User:Dekkappai|Dekkappai]] 19:53, 10 June 2008 (EDT)
::: Actually they '''are''' at the top of articles. But I just started it to see what others think. It would be no problem to put them at the end of an article. Only for unsourced boob measurements I am of the opinion that they have to be on top of a page. But anyway - I was the only one so far who has tagged articles, mostly for myself to find them later - and to leave a sign for others and encourage them to improve the articles. I don't think that they are a problem, because no one uses them - and I'll use them only in very limited cases. As I said, I already removed the tags on some pages after having fixed the sourcing issues. [[User:Prophecy|Prophecy]] 19:58, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

: Addition to the categories topic: Just one day after I introduced and reorganised {{Cl|Boobpedians}}, people start adding their user pages and also adding their native languages. Before, the old "Boobpedia users" category was practically deserted. I think it's great if we can establish more of a community feeling like that. To Hexvoodoo: It would be great if you added yourself too so that we have the administrators complete. Please add the following cagetories to your user page if you like:

:<code><nowiki>[[Category:Boobpedians|Hexvoodoo]]</nowiki></code>
:<code><nowiki>[[Category:Boobpedia administrators|Hexvoodoo]]</nowiki></code>
:<code><nowiki>[[Category:Boobpedia bureaucrats|Hexvoodoo]]</nowiki></code>

:If you are an English native speaker, you can also add

:<code><nowiki>[[Category:English native speakers|Hexvoodoo]]</nowiki></code>

:Thanks and regards -- [[User:Prophecy|Prophecy]] 05:08, 11 June 2008 (EDT)

== email ==

btw: please send me an email through the contact link in the navigation bar. i have another project you may be interested in participating. --[[User:Hexvoodoo|Hexvoodoo]] 17:46, 9 June 2008 (EDT)

== Biobox hybrid ==
Ok. I wasn't sure what to do in that situation. So I changed it to "new". But now I know. [[User:Apara|Apara]] 01:03, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

==Re:Server will slow down for a few minutes. ==
Thanks for the note, Prophecy. Obviously you know by now, I was done uploading before you sent it. I'm glad you enjoyed the list too-- I was a little leery about uploading some of these Japanese BBW lists, because I know they're not to everybody's taste. (I like a woman of some substance myself :-) Wait till you see some of the amazons on another list I've been working on... big, powerful, buxom gals!... next I'll have to blue-link some of the more promising models on today's list. The work never stops! [[User:Dekkappai|Dekkappai]] 19:01, 10 June 2008 (EDT)
:Oh, and yes-- your edits to the list are correct. I just cut & pasted them in a hurry while online and forgot to fix them. Cheers! [[User:Dekkappai|Dekkappai]] 19:03, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

== Possible metric cup size converting ==
Hey Prophecy 
I was looking through the [[Bra]] article just a few mins ago. When I came across [http://www.85b.org/bra_conv.php this]. Since converting metric cup sizes was some sort of a problem. I thought this might help the situation. Especially in [[User:Dekkappai|Dekkappai]]'s case. I figured you probably knew of this link or not. I just thought I'd fill you in. [[User:Apara|Apara]] 20:24, 10 June 2008 (EDT)
: I came across [http://www.85b.org/bra_conv.php this] page on my own, and generated a table out of the data. It's here: [[User:Drducker/BraConversionChart]]. Seems to be a one-to-one conversion, if the source document is accurate. [[User:Drducker|Drducker]] 06:52, 23 June 2008 (EDT)
That's what I thought. "C metric" seems kind of small to me. [[User:Apara|Apara]] 21:55, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

==Vanessa Del==
I found it on the [http://www.bigtitscurveyasses.com Big Tits Curvy Asses] site. I'm not sure how to calculate band sizes. So I just leave them blank unless I find info. [[User:Apara|Apara]] 23:01, 12 June 2008 (EDT)
:How do you calculate band sizes? If it were possible. [[User:Apara|Apara]] 23:19, 12 June 2008 (EDT)

== Nina Hartley ==

I defaulted to "birth name" because I wasn't sure if that was her current name. I do see your point, though. [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 21:33, 15 June 2008 (EDT)

== Natali Demore ==

Hi Prophecy, sorry i don't know about, i'm sure You would have done it much better, but well. The new biobox is much better than the old, I congratulate You.

Greetings.--[[User:Kamui99|Kamui99]] 05:39, 16 June 2008 (EDT)

::OK! ;) Thank You, But I think that All your articles are very complete and very well elaborate. Besides all your girls are dreamed. You're doing very good work, Congrats!

::--[[User:Kamui99|Kamui99]] 05:51, 16 June 2008 (EDT)
==Measurements==
Hi, Prophecy. Since you're the formatting guy, maybe you can help me. The measurements, at least as I am using, seem pretty clunky. For instance at the article I've just started on [[Iori Kuroki]] (take a look :-) I give measurements as "130-90-110(cm) / 51-35-43(inch)" There must be a better way-- either by tinkering with the infobox (or maybe you already have, and I'm not aware of it), or by agreeing on a standard way to do this sort of thing. [[User:Dekkappai|Dekkappai]] 15:33, 17 June 2008 (EDT)
:Thanks, Prophecy. I'll keep it in mind. As long as we've got the information up there, I suppose, the formatting isn't all that crucial. We can clean it up later. Meanwhile, discoveries like [[Iori Kuroki]] continue to inspire further research. :-) Cheers! [[User:Dekkappai|Dekkappai]] 15:53, 17 June 2008 (EDT)

== DP ==

Sure. :) [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 20:47, 17 June 2008 (EDT)
=="This date in boob history"==
I like your date idea, Prophecy, and it's just the kind of thing I'll be able to work on easy at home-- I'm still getting used to the novelty of having easy Internet access again, and still spending more time surfing than writing, but I'll settle down and try to contribute Japanese info to those later. Cheers! [[User:Dekkappai|Dekkappai]] 16:54, 19 June 2008 (EDT)

== No image available ==

Not sure of the proper reply etiquette here, but hopefully this is right "enough". ;)

I was actually hoping somebody might get a bright idea to change the template like that; I hadn't had a clue about how to do it myself, but I see that template code isn't super complex programming.

So, in short: Cool.

[[User:Drducker|Drducker]] 09:15, 21 June 2008 (EDT)

==Minor formatting issue==
Hi, Prophecy. If you look at [[Rui Akikawa]], you'll see a minor formatting issue-- or at least I do on my computer. The filmography over-writes the lower part of the biobox. This problem will be solved as the text of the article expands, but still, if there's a way to fix it, let me know. Keep up the great work! Cheers. [[User:Dekkappai|Dekkappai]] 19:58, 23 June 2008 (EDT)
:Thanks, Prophecy. The best solution, of course, is to fill out the article with text, and I hope to do that when I can. Until then I'll try your "clear all" suggestion. [[User:Dekkappai|Dekkappai]] 12:50, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

==160px==
I change it from 160 to 180. Because of the lines going through the main article picture and biobox. They seem unnecessary. [[User:Apara|Apara]] 07:52, 24 June 2008 (EDT)
:The headlines "Big tit movies" "Free galleries" (go through main picture) "References" and "External Links" (go through the biobox). I use Internet Explorer 7. [[User:Apara|Apara]] 08:05, 24 June 2008 (EDT)
::From what I remember, the lines did go across with the old biobox also. I'm not sure why it comes off when I make changes to the article. Minor changes does the trick. When I use a iMac computer. The lines don't appear. [[User:Apara|Apara]] 22:40, 24 June 2008 (EDT)
:::First I thought it was a common problem. Thinking the formatting of the article was off. But seems to be rare in some cases. I'll take it up with [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] or [[User:Hexvoodoo|Hex]]. [[User:Apara|Apara]] 22:49, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

== Big Naturals help ==

Prophecy, I have been unable to find any other photos of this model, maybe you would have better luck. [[Shandi (Big Naturals)]] --[[User:Bustanut|Bustanut]] 13:42, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

It is in the members area. It is the only thing left for the deleted women. It just so happens that every other woman has pictures still on the internet. --[[User:Bustanut|Bustanut]] 20:19, 24 June 2008 (EDT)

== Height and weight templates ==

Referencing here: [[User_talk:Drducker#Height_and_weight_templates]] & [[User_talk:The_Honorable#New_weight_template]]

I had thought that sub-template referencing was probably a performance hit actually, but figured the gain of factoring out all the implicit conditionals in what I've dubbed "default-folding" of parameter names, and only doing so once (versus 4x for pounds, and 5x for kilos), would offset it. In thinking it through a little more after your comments I guess the "default-folding" is in application time (using existing in-memory data), and the template call is in network time (accessing the DB for the text of the page), so I can see how that could still be problematic.

There are two ways I can think of potentially achieving some gains in performance, though the first is without the code elegance:

# Do you know if "default-folding" uses a short-circuit style conditional? If so, we could see a performance boost by changing the order of the parameters being folded so that the most commonly used parameter name is first. (In the weight template case, I'd guess "kg" for the kilogram params.) Like so: <pre>{{{kg|{{{kilo|{{{kilos|{{{kilogram|{{{kilograms|}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}</pre>
# I haven't been able to find some way to make an assignment inside a template; Maybe you know of some way? I'm thinking something like: <pre>{{#assign:newparam=value}}</pre> which would allow for having the folding only occur once, and still be inside the same template. Weight could look like this: (obviously with the spacing fixed to remove rendering artifacts)
<pre>
<includeonly>
{{#assign:p={{{lb|{{{lbs|{{{pound|{{{pounds|}}}}}}}}}}}} }}
{{#assign:k={{{kg|{{{kilo|{{{kilos|{{{kilogram|{{{kilograms|}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} }}
{{#if:{{{round|}}}|{{#assign:r={{{round|}}} }} }}
{{#if:{{{p|}}}|
{{#if:{{{k|}}}|
{{{p|}}} lb ({{{k|}}} kg)|
{{{p|}}} lb ({{#expr:( ({{{p|0}}}/2.2) round {{{r|0}}} ) }} kg)}}|
{{#if:{{{k|}}}|
{{{k|0}}} kg ({{#expr:( ({{{k|0}}}*2.2) round {{{r|0}}} ) }} lb)}}
}}
</includeonly><noinclude>{{documentation}}

</noinclude>
</pre>

== BMI ==

Referencing: [[User_talk:Drducker#BMI]]

You are correct that "Thin" has some negative connotations, though only very slight. I've actually thought the body type stuff, if based off BMI, should stick closer to the "official" boundaries. The BMI calculator listed in the biobox template description has these categories:
; Underweight : BMI < 18.5
; Normal weight : 18.5 <= BMI < 25
; Overweight : 25 <= BMI < 30
; Obesity : 30 <= BMI

I've seen the underweight-to-normal boundary at 18 also, and that keeps things a little simpler. I also think we could break down the Normal category into two, and so my proposal would be:
; Thin : BMI < 18 (18)
; Slim : 18 <= BMI < 21 [18-21)
; Normal : 21 <= BMI < 25 [21-25)
; Chubby : 25 <= BMI < 30 [25-30)
; BBW : 30 <= BMI [30)

Band size as an indicator has some potential, though my thoughts are that it (as well as waist/hip measurements) serves as a measure of relative proportionality. Which is to say, it can lead you a bit astray on it's own for determining body type. Also, given how fast and loose some models play with their measurements, it doesn't have the same level of reliability.

I'd also like to propose that the other body types (Athletic, Muscular) be used as modifiers, ie a model could be labeled as "Normal Athletic", and that a third possibility be added: "Toned"
; Toned : Well toned body
; Athletic : Defined musculature present
; Muscular : Exclusively for intensive body-builders
[[User:Drducker|Drducker]] 15:27, 26 June 2008 (EDT)

: I still think it would be better to keep the under BMI=18 category, simply for the flexibility it affords, though perhaps finding a new term would be better; Some that I found: lank, lean, skinny, slender, svelte, slight, delicate, waif. Of them, I like "Waif" (or maybe "Waifish) best as the under BMI=18 replacement. So that would mean the full list would be: Waif, Slim, Normal, Chubby, BBW.

: The template I'm working up for doing body type automatically, should be able to figure the Muscled modifiers with a single parameter. The final template call should look something like: <nowiki>{{bodytype|m=1.60|kg=55|muscle=Athletic}}</nowiki> which should result in "Normal, Athletic (BMI:21.5)" with appropriate category linking additions, etc. I want it to handle meters or feet-inches, pounds or kilos, etc. and that's why it's taking me a while. As it's rendered output should hit the "free text" rendering in the biobox template, there shouldn't be any need for a change in that template when it's done.

: [[User:Drducker|Drducker]] 17:07, 26 June 2008 (EDT)

:: Waif is a term that came to the fore in the fashion industry. Think Twiggy, or Kate Moss. The word originally referred to orphans, and the undernourished. See: [[wikipedia:Waif|Wikipedia's entry]]
:: [[User:Drducker|Drducker]] 17:22, 26 June 2008 (EDT)

== User:Define Babe ==
I've blocked [[User:Define Babe|Define Babe]] and added definebabe.com to the [http://www.boobpedia.com/boobs/MediaWiki:Spam-blacklist spam blacklist]. Feel free to delete any link to definebabe.com that you find. [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 20:58, 27 June 2008 (EDT)

== Boobpedia down ==

Just curious why Boobpedia has been down for several minutes at a time the past few days. Is traffic increasing that much and causing an overload on the servers? --[[User:Bustanut|Bustanut]] 18:59, 28 June 2008 (EDT)

It's not problem at all. I was just curious was all. Thanks for the info.
--[[User:Bustanut|Bustanut]] 19:50, 28 June 2008 (EDT)

== Kylie Scott ==

Any idea who this is? I have never heard of her before [[Kylie Scott]].
--[[User:Bustanut|Bustanut]] 01:22, 29 June 2008 (EDT)
I was thinking the same thing. I just wanted to make sure the name that is givin on the website is the correct one since I have not been able to find anything else on her. --[[User:Bustanut|Bustanut]] 01:31, 29 June 2008 (EDT)

== Eyes Wide Shut/templates ==

Eyes Wide Shut: I deleted the disambig notice for [[Eyes Wide Shut (body)]] because there isn't an [[Eyes Wide Shut (film)]] article, and I didn't know the film had any noteworthy bustiness. :) I think doing articles on specific latex outfits and bras may be too tangential to the point of Boobpedia, though.

Templates: If they're useful for multiple articles, developing additional templates is fine. [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 18:20, 29 June 2008 (EDT)

: Articles on bras and bodies are OK, if the bras are reasonably well-known, and are designed for large breasts, to accentuate large breasts, etc. or something like that. So, under that new rule that I just made up :), the Arabella bra is an appropriate article subject, but the Eyes Wide Shut body isn't. [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 19:54, 29 June 2008 (EDT)

:: I'm not entirely convinced about the Eyes Wide Shut body -- transparent bodies accentuate big breasts, but so do wet T-shirts and tight blouses. Where should the line be drawn? [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 23:46, 30 June 2008 (EDT)

== [[Arabella (bra)]] ==
Hi, Prophecy. I notice a [[Sayuri]] listed as a wearer of this bra. Do you have a link to an image? "Sayuri" is a very common given-name among Japanese models, and I can think of several who deserve articles here. I might be able to identify this particular one with an image. Also, if you're starting articles on bras, off-hand I know that Wacoal is the major Japanese manufacturer. They're not big-bust specialists by any means, but I wonder at which point BP becomes "exclusionist" with regards to boob-lore... Keep up the great work! Regards. [[User:Dekkappai|Dekkappai]] 19:39, 29 June 2008 (EDT)
:Oh, '''''SAYURI!!!''''' Yes, I've been collecting whatever I can on her for years... Pretty sure I've seen her in video/DVD appearances too. I've got her marked for an article, one of these days... So many boobs, so little time! Cheers! [[User:Dekkappai|Dekkappai]] 19:56, 29 June 2008 (EDT)

== Samanthas ==

I think they're different -- Topheavy [http://www.topheavyamateurs.com/newgraphics/cuppages/gcup_page.htm says] their Samantha is British. [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 23:43, 30 June 2008 (EDT)

==Minor formatting issues 2==
Hi, Prophecy. Has the table problem been fixed? The one where you lose the lines if there is no info in a field? If so, I can start removing those "."s I put in to avoid that... Also, the problem I mentioned above, about the filmography tables overwriting the biobox-- It doesn't seem to occur on different computers. I use Firefox here, and it occurs whether I put the "clear all" at the top or not... [[User:Dekkappai|Dekkappai]] 03:15, 1 July 2008 (EDT)
:Hi, Prophecy-- I thought you mentioned how I was able to get the lines in the tables before... ([[User_talk:Dekkappai#Filmography_at_Fuko.27s_and_other_pages.]] "you are the only one who managed to get vertical lines in your tables so far") The way I got the lines was to put a "." in a field if it was empty. For example, look at [[Chiharu_Mizushima#Partial_filmography]]. I don't have info in the top listing for "Company" and "Director". If I left it blank, I wouldn't get the table lines, so I put in the "."s. Recently, however, I've been getting the lines without the "."s If you look at the third listing at [[Oppai label]], I don't have the performer's name. I didn't put a "." in it, but it looks OK. I took it from your note above, tha tI wasn't the only one having trouble with the vertical lines-- has that issue been fixed? Regards. [[User:Dekkappai|Dekkappai]] 12:26, 1 July 2008 (EDT)
::Thanks for the feedback, Prophecy... That's odd about the lines though-- I used to not see them unless I put something in every field, and this was on several different computers... I'm an old guy with not much programming skills anymore (Cobol, anyone?) so I'll leave the filmography CSS coding up to you when you get around to it. Also, I'm not sure if I've finally settled on the "ultimate" Filmography format-- So let me know when you start work on this, as I would like to have some input and suggestions to make. (For example, the Japanese video templates might require special fields, such as the Video ID number, which is a standard way of identifying these things-- I've finally started using those numbers to identify the cover images, which saves a lot of inconsistent translating/naming and possible accidental duplication.) Anyway, I'll continue plugging away on article/content and leave the coding up to you experts :-) I'm glad you enjoyed those "Oppai" girls-- yes, they look very article-worthy, every one of them! If you like the short and chubby girls also, the recent discovery I am most enchanted by is [[Usagi Minagi]]-- I've been lucky to find a bit of information on this relatively obscure-- but quite entrancing-- subject. My next step is to go on a blue link-ing spree with so many of those red links I've been putting up in these lists. Keep me updated on coding/formatting changes, and keep up the great work! Cheers! [[User:Dekkappai|Dekkappai]] 14:29, 1 July 2008 (EDT)

Hey, Prophecy-- since you're doing work on bras (with regard to bras, as with my editing, I focus more on their ''content'' than their format ;-), you might want to check out [http://tokyotopless.com/model/MiyabiHAYAMA/12/ THESE] pictures of our new subject, [[Miyabi Hayama]]. You might be able to squeeze her into one of your articles. Cheers! [[User:Dekkappai|Dekkappai]] 16:04, 1 July 2008 (EDT)
:I haven't followed the discussion much, but, personally, I'm in favor of any boob-related info/articles here. Articles on bras-- even plain old, non-big-bust bras-- or any other boob-specific lingerie seem appropriate to me, as they're boob-related. Just my opinion though. [[User:Dekkappai|Dekkappai]] 16:15, 1 July 2008 (EDT)

==A request==
Hi, Prophecy. Since you're the guru of the new biobox template, maybe you can add a "Shoe size" field? Even Wiki's female adult template has one, so I don't see why ours shouldn't. Personally I don't care much about this bit of information, but it is included in many Japanese profiles-- [[Usagi Minagi]], for example, wears a 23.5cm-- so it must be considered an important statistic there... I think I've included "shoe" fields in some of my article/bioboxes in the hope that some day this info would be visible... [[User:Dekkappai|Dekkappai]] 13:30, 2 July 2008 (EDT)

== please help me out ==

yesterday the server was down for a while, and a reboot had to be done. the server load was 132% at the time. since you are familiar with most of the templates, could you please go over them and see if you could simplify them and substitute manual input whenever possible?

a case in point: i came across this page recently, [[Angela Little]]. it's a typical short article, yet it uses many templates, not all of them are necessary. when you get the chance, please assess the situation and see if we could bring down the server load. thanks --[[User:Hexvoodoo|Hexvoodoo]] 14:45, 2 July 2008 (EDT)
:Pardon me if this is a stupid question: But does that apply to citation templates as well? I use them a lot, but several professional/academic editors at Wikipedia whose opinion I respect have advised against using these. I've thought about writing the citations out manually, and it wouldn't really be any trouble to do so (I have an article & citation skeleton files that I cut, paste & alter when starting up articles-- I'll just change the way they're set up). So, if this will help, I'll stop using the citation templates. [[User:Dekkappai|Dekkappai]] 18:07, 2 July 2008 (EDT)

::The reason why the server was down was simply me, and it was a mistake. It '''only''' happens when a high use template is saved. Unfortunately I had the original {{tl|nationality}} open and saved a silly testing change to this one instead of {{tl|nationality/sandbox}}. So once saving the mistake took a lot of server load, but as it messed up all bioboxes at the same time, I had to quickly revert the edit. So the server hadn't finished changing all pages yet when I already started the reverting. This was too much. The use of templates on pages as such isn't causing as much trouble as saving them. The problem is: Wikipedia has a queue for this. The server slowly works it through when it has the time; and when there is too much server load, it simply does not update all pages at once. The Boobpedia server, however, does not seem to have a queue and tries to update all the pages at once. This is why saving a high use template causes massive server action. Once the conversion is finished, everything is ok.

:: I noticed that the Boobpedia wiki software seems to be a lot older than the current wikipedia one. Is it much work to update it? Things like this would not happen any more. (Actually I don't know if Boobpedia even has a queue, but at least it's not that effective as the Wikipedia one).

:: Concerning Angela Little: Well, Drducker has developed BMI and Eye color templates. The only additional template by me is {{tl|bra}} (which was an early idea by me, started to experiment, but was adopted by almost every other user very quickly. In my opinion, it has enriched Boobpedia, because it has solved many problems: Bra sizes in the measurement field, combining bra and cup sizes, allowing a proper classification and so on). {{tl|weight}} and {{tl|height}} were already existing when I joined Boobpedia and were by far the most used templates here. All other templates are - sorry - Boobpedia affiliate link templates we did not develop.

:: The alternative could be (as you mentioned in an e-mail, Hexvoodoo) to write out all height and weight and bra size measurements. But: I added and tested {{tl|height}} on quite a few bioboxes where height was written out manually. Two thirds of them were calculated wrongly. Same for bra sizes. Hm... The rest of the templates you see at the bottom when you edit a page is all inside the new biobox. They make the new biobox what it is. Deleting all the templates out of it would mean that articles would not be categorised in such an exact manner any more (if at all) and that the code would become completely unreadable. It would at least double the size of the biobox, or even more.

:: I don't have access to server statistics, but I still believe that simply calling and reading a page with these template is not that crucial - it's saving a high-use template which causes the server to crash. Editing {{tl|height}} for example ends in a catastrophe every time you try it. I normally do all my work on templates in sandboxes, but this time it was my mistake, sorry for that.

:: I don't see a way of removing the templates inside the new biobox without turning back time half a year and return to the old "non-functional" biobox.

:: Regards

:: [[User:Prophecy|Prophecy]] 19:05, 2 July 2008 (EDT)

== 48 bra size? ==
When I was observing the [[Karola]] page. I noticed it says "48ZZZ". When I entered it in to the bra size template. I got an error. I know her bust size isn't 48 inches, unlike someone like [[Virginia Bell]] who does. Can 48 be added or needed rather? [[User:Apara|Apara]] 02:52, 3 July 2008 (EDT)
:Actually I had Karola in mind when I asked about the 48 band size. Since it said 48ZZZ on her measurements. I only brought up Virginia Bell, because I was comparing the difference between bust size and band size. I see why the template only goes so high as 46. Now I'm aware. Thanks for clearing up that also. . [[User:Apara|Apara]] 19:47, 3 July 2008 (EDT)

== Refs to foot ==

See: [[User_talk:Drducker#Refs_to_foot]]
My take on it is that references are what we have been calling "footnotes", and as is implied by the word itself, that means they should be at the very bottom (structural items like categories, GFDL disclaimers, and such, not withstanding).

I'm of the opion that it might be a good idea to somewhat formalize some article writing guidelines. We certainly don't need to be anywhere near as rigorous as wikipedia, but a few loose rules could certainly go a long way.

I'm not exactly sure of how to go about setting up such a process here, but I suppose this might be a start.

Take a look at [[Aimee Sweet]]. That's a reasonably good example of how I think a page should look. What do you think?

[[User:Drducker|Drducker]] 07:41, 4 July 2008 (EDT)

:Compare [[Aimee Sweet]] with [[Amanda White]]. The actual code that pushes it down is the same: <nowiki></nowiki>, which means that as a shorter article get longer, the extra space goes away. It's not "real" white space, only a bit of CSS doing it. And it means that the references are always available with a simple [END] key-press.

:I think of the references as being more ''Meta''-Article rather than real article, much the same way the categories are. You'll note that the category box is also always at the bottom. Likewise the <nowiki>{{GFDL}}</nowiki> disclaimer is about the ''article itself'', rather than the subject of the article, and should also, IMHO, be at the end of the page.

:It seems like you get most of what I'm putting forth here, but this is kind of why I thought something a bit more formalized would be a good idea; While I'd obviously advocate for the way I've been doing it, if the consensus was something else I'd go along with that too.

:[[User:Drducker|Drducker]] 20:25, 6 July 2008 (EDT)

== Asian erotic cinema vs. Asian-born performer in U.S. erotic cinema==
Hi, Prophecy. I see one potential categorizing problem, which I anticipated a while ago (if you read the intro to [[Big Breasted Japanese AV Actresses]]). The problem is: How do we categorize Asian actresses who perform in U.S. media... The Japanese and the U.S. adult entertainment genres have their own unique characterists-- beyond simply the nationality/ethnicity of the perfomers. (Personally, as you can guess, I like the Japanese, and don't like the U.S., even when it's an Asian performer in a U.S. video.) I notice we have an article on [[Fujiko Kano]], who fits this problem. She is Japanese, born in Japan and (I guess) still has Japanese nationality, but, as far as I know, she does not work in Japanese films or videos-- only U.S. ones. To my way of thinking, that makes her a U.S. performer... Do you follow my concern? Or should we just let this small imperfection go? [[User:Dekkappai|Dekkappai]] 10:52, 4 July 2008 (EDT)
:Thanks, Prophecy-- I guess the answer is, the ethnicity/nationality categories do not apply to the country in which they work. Yes, my AV list fills the "Performer in Japanese AV" category gap (a category I don't really see a need for either). I don't know anything about Asian performers in U.S. media though-- from earliest days, I was always been attracted to the home-grown Japanese/Asian variety :-) I've been thinking of starting a similar one for Japanese gravure models, once I get the AV list under control (probably never!)... Also, thinking to the future... I'd like to put small thumbnail pictures for each actress, next to the name, which links to the article... But if I do that, we might have to break the list up somehow-- maybe by cup-size... but having the names all in one list is very important also, since it helps to search a name in Japanese... Although, once all the articles are started, the extra info will be taken out of the list, making it smaller... Just thinking-- Now I need to get back to work on [[Sayaka Hijiri]]-- my stub for this morning! [[User:Dekkappai|Dekkappai]] 11:16, 4 July 2008 (EDT)

== Biobox update ==

I'm ready to update the biobox, but I can wait if you're in the middle of anything. [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 14:17, 4 July 2008 (EDT)

== Debbie Quarry ==
I've taken rarecelebrities out of the spam filter, so your update should work now. [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 01:18, 6 July 2008 (EDT)
== Isa Bella ==
Prophecy, nice catch. Thanks. I thought she did, but I couldn't find it when searching for Isabela and Isabella. Thanks again. --[[User:Bustanut|Bustanut]] 11:52, 6 July 2008 (EDT)

== Birthdays and history ==

I've added "Today's birthdays" and "Today in boob history" links in the Interesting Links section on the front page. Thanks for your help! [[User:The Honorable|The Honorable]] 19:42, 6 July 2008 (EDT)
==Satoru Kobayashi==
Yes, I noticed the template and had it in mind to put in a picture. I was sure I had a picture of him... I'm pretty sure I saw one in a book somewhere... can't locate it though. The name "Satoru Kobayashi" is a fairly common one, so searching the web will bring up a lot of people who are not him-- and a lot of videos/film posters of his films. Anyway, I'll keep looking and upload it when I find it. Thanks! [[User:Dekkappai|Dekkappai]] 20:01, 6 July 2008 (EDT)

Aimee Sweet

2008-07-06T23:01:36Z

Drducker: getting rid of extra lines

{{Biobox new
| name = Aimee Sweet
| photo = [[Image:aimee_sweet3.jpg|240px|Aimee Sweet]]
| alias =
| real name = Aimee Sweet

| birth day = 14
| birth month = May
| birth year = 1977
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| birth location = Cranston, Rhode Island, USA<ref name="AVNOI">[http://www.avn.com/video/articles/16460.html AVN Online Interview: Aimee Sweet]</ref> (Providence, Rhode Island, USA<ref name="afdb"/><ref name="iafd"/><ref name="imdb">[http://us.imdb.com/name/nm1019004/bio IMDB Bio]</ref>)
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'''Aimee Sweet''' (born May 14, [[1977]]) is an [[American]] [[glamour model]] and [[adult actress]].

==Biography==

===Early years===
At the age of six, she began performing in stage plays and singing, and developed an interest in sports such as ice hockey, softball, swimming and cross country, which she continued to do through high school. She also was very involved with her school's student council.

===Career===
Sweet's career began at age 19 when she had a chance meeting with {{photographer|Suze Randall}}. Ironically, she went to Randall's studio to accompany one of her friends, who aspired to be a model. When the photographer met Aimee, Aimee was chosen instead. She began modeling for Randall, and soon afterwards was chosen for a centerfold spread in [[Penthouse]] magazine. Much to her surprise, she became [[Penthouse Pet]] for August 1998, which led to appearances in other men's magazines, including ''Perfect 10'', ''Club'', ''High Society'', and ''Leg World''. She was also considered as one of the candidates for Penthouse Pet of the Millennium.

In 1999, Sweet moved to Milan, as a high-fashion model for the famous Elite modeling agency. Upon returning to the U.S. several months later, she started her own business and launched her own website. In addition to running her own website, she modeled for companies such as Ruplemintze, Trashy Lingerie, ''Mystique'' magazine, and Mac & Bumble. She has also branched out into the field of television and entertainment, including a stint as a hostess of a gameshow on Fox Sports, as well as appearing in music videos for Korn and Marilyn Manson.

Having moved from San Diego, California, she currently resides in Los Angeles, California.

She has also worked in Canada, Italy, Mexico, and London, England.

==Tattoos==
Sweet has a tattoo of a spade on her stomach.
<gallery caption="Tattoo Images">
Image:AimeeSweet-RightBellyTattoo.001.jpg|Spade tattoo on her stomach
</gallery>

== Big tit movies / pictures of {{PAGENAME}} ==
* {{digitaldesire}}
* {{macandbumble}}
* {{penthouse}}
* {{suze}}

==External links==
{{FOL|A|Aimee_Sweet}} {{FODT|14443}}

== References ==
{{reflist}}

{{GFDL}}

[[Category:glamour models]]
[[Category:adult models]]
[[Category:porn stars]]
[[Category:penthouse models]]
[[Category:Penthouse Pets]]

Sandee Westgate

2008-07-05T11:04:56Z

Drducker: bodytype, eyecolor, refs to foot

{{Biobox new
|photo= [[Image:SandeeWestgate.jpg|240px|Sandee Westgate]]
|alias=
|real name= Sandra Westgate
|birth date= May 5
|birth month=5
|birth day=5
|birth year= 1979
|birth ref=
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|death date=
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|blowjob=
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|xpeepsname= Sandee_Westgate
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'''Sandra "Sandee" Westgate''' (born May 5, 1979,<ref name="afdb"/> in Sacramento, California) is an [[American]] [[adult model]] and [[porn star]].

Born and raised in Sacramento, Westgate began modeling at the age of four. She moved to Los Angeles at 18 to pursue her lifelong dream of being a successful model. She has appearances in lingerie catalogs, calendars, fitness and car magazines, and ''Playboy'' magazine and TV. Her hobbies include webmistressing, baking, art, music, fast cars, taking her dog to the park and erotic art.

She has appeared in magazines including ''Hustler'', ''Club'' and ''[[Playboy]]''. She was the first actress signed to a contract with the Maximum Xposure company in 2005.

== Big tit movies / pictures of Sandee Westgate ==
* {{danni}}
* {{macandbumble}}

== References ==
{{reflist}}

{{GFDL}}
[[Category:Adult models]]
[[Category:Porn stars]]
[[Category:Playboy Cyber Girls]]

Amanda White

2008-07-05T10:59:06Z

Drducker: bodytype, clear definebabe, refs to foot

{{refimprove|date=June 2008}}
{{Biobox new
|photo= [[Image:AmandaWhite.jpg|240px|Amanda White]]
|alias= Mya Clifton
|real name=
|birth date= February 24
|birth month=2
|birth day=24
|birth year= 1978
|birth location=
|death date=
|death year=
|measurements= 48-30-38
|bra/cup size={{bra|36|HH}}<ref name="iafd">{{cite web|title=IAFD profile|url=http://www.iafd.com/person.rme/perfid=Amanda_En_bl/gender=f/Amanda-White.htm|accessdate=2008-06-02}}</ref><ref name="afdb">{{cite web|title=AFDB profile|url=http://www.adultfilmdatabase.com/actor.cfm?actorid=40509|accessdate=2008-06-02}}</ref>
|cup size= FF
|natural tits= yes
|height= {{height|ft=5|in=6}}
|weight= {{weight|lb=144}}
|bmi={{#expr:(65/(1.68*1.68))}}
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|nationality2=Jamaican
|topless= yes
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|frontal= yes
|solo= yes
|lesbian=
|blowjob= yes
|hardcore= yes
|anal=
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[[Image:Amanda white 003.jpg|160px|left|Amanda White]]
'''Amanda White''' (born February 24, [[1978]]) is a large-busted [[adult model]] and [[porn star]] from London, England, [[UK]]. She is of [[Jamaican]] descent. She has modelled for [[Score]] magazine and has also worked as an [[escort]] in the UK and currently in New York City.

She is the former girlfriend of Sean Combs.
 
== Big tit movies / pictures of Amanda White ==
<protect>
* {{scoreland}}
* {{blackandstacked}}
* {{scorevideos}} </protect>

== References ==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Jamaican]]
[[Category:Adult models]]
[[Category:Porn stars]]
[[Category:Escorts]]
[[Category:Score models]]

Amy Miller

2008-07-05T10:53:30Z

Drducker: bodytype, eyecolor, clear definebabe

{{Biobox new
|photo= [[Image:AmyMiller.jpg|240px|Amy Miller]]
|alias=
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|birth month= July
|birth day=13
|birth year= 1973
|birth location= York, Pennsylvania, USA
|death date=
|death year=
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'''Amy Miller''' is an [[American]] [[actress]] and [[adult model]]. She starred in the Las Vegas cabaret show ''X: An Erotic Adventure'', has been a spokesmodel for a number of products, and was ''Playboy''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s Cyber Girl of the Week for the 2nd week of November 2000. Amy was also chosen as the Cyber Girl of the Month for March 2001.

==Appearances in ''Playboy'' special editions==
*''Playboy's Book of Lingerie'' Vol. 68 July 1999 - pages 44-45.
*''Playboy's Voluptuous Vixens'' Vol. 3 October 1999.
*''Playboy's Book of Lingerie'' Vol. 70 November 1999.
*''Playboy's Book of Lingerie'' Vol. 71 January 2000 - front & back cover, pages 1-3, 36-37, 56-61, 66-67, 92-93.
*''Playboy's Book of Lingerie'' Vol. 72 March 2000.
*''Playboy's Book of Lingerie'' Vol. 74 July 2000 - pages 54-55.
*''Playboy's Girlfriends'' July 2000 - pages 64-71.
*''Playboy's Voluptuous Vixens'' Vol. 4 October 2000.
*''Playboy's Book of Lingerie'' Vol. 77 January 2001 - pages 8-11.
*''Playboy's Girlfriends'' July 2001 - front & back cover, pages 1-11.
*''Playboy's Voluptuous Vixens'' Vol. 5 September 2001.
*''Playboy's Wet & Wild'' December 2001.
*''Playboy's Barefoot Beauties'' Vol. 3 January 2002.
*''Playboy's Book of Lingerie'' Vol. 83 January 2002 - cover.
*''Playboy's Blondes, Brunettes & Redheads'' March 2002 - cover.
*''Playboy's Cyber Girls'' June 2002.
*''Playboy's Book of Lingerie'' Vol. 86 July 2002 - cover.
*''Playboy's Book of Lingerie'' Vol. 87 September 2002.
*''Playboy's Book of Lingerie'' Vol. 89 January 2003.
*''Playboy's Sexy 100'' February 2003.
*''Playboy's Book of Lingerie'' Vol. 92 July 2003.
*''Playboy's Girlfriends'' August 2003 - pages 10-17.
*''Playboy's Voluptuous Vixens'' Vol. 8 November 2003.
*''Playboy's Wet & Wild'' December 2003.
*''Playboy's Book of Lingerie'' Vol. 95 January 2004 - pages 40-41.
*''Playboy's Girls With Girls'' August 2004 - pages 24-27.
*''Playboy's Book of Lingerie'' Vol. 100 January 2005 - pages 36-39.

== Big tit movies / pictures of Amy Miller ==
<protect>
* {{playboyplus}}
* {{macandbumble}} </protect>
* {{mrskin|06950/Amy_Miller.htm}}

== External links ==
* [http://www.playboy.com/specialeditions/directory/models/miller-amy.html Profile at Playboy SE model directory]

{{GFDL|Amy Miller (model)}}

[[Category:Actresses]]
[[Category:Adult models]]
[[Category:Playboy NSS models]]
[[Category:Mac and Bumble models]]

Anette Dawn

2008-07-05T10:50:20Z

Drducker: bodytype, eyecolor, clear definebabe

{{Biobox new
|photo= [[Image:Anette_Dawn.jpg|240px|Anette Dawn]]
|alias=Bridgett, Bridget, Anett Bocsi, Brigitte, Anett
|real name=
|birth month=May
|birth day=5
|birth year= 1978
|birth location=Salgotarjan, Budapest, Hungary
|death date=
|death year=
|measurements=34D-24-35
|bra/cup size={{bra|34|D}}
|natural tits=no
|height= {{height|ft=5|in=6}}
|weight= {{weight|lb=108}}
|bmi={{#expr:(49/(1.68*1.68))}}
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'''Anette Dawn''' (born May 5, [[1978]] in Budapest, [[Hungary]]) is a [[Hungarian]] [[adult model]].

She has modeled for the sites {{twistys link}}, {{hungarianhoneys link}}, and [http://www.amkingdom.com/ AMKingdom], among others.

== Big tit movies / pictures of Anette Dawn ==
* {{twistys}}
* {{hungarianhoneys}}
[[Category:Adult models]]

Angel Cassidy

2008-07-05T10:45:30Z

Drducker: bodytype, eyecolor

{{Biobox new
| photo = [[Image:AngelCassidy.jpg|240px|Angel Cassidy]]
| alias =
| real name =
| birth month= February
|birth day=1
| birth year = 1980
| birth location = San Diego, California, USA
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| bra/cup size = {{bra|34|D}}
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| weight = {{weight|lb=121}}
| body type = {{bmitobodytype|bmi={{#expr:(55/(1.73*1.73))}}}}
| eye color = {{eyecolor|Hazel}}
| hair color = Blonde
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| blood =
| ethnicity = Caucasian
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| nationality = American
| topless = yes
| bush = yes
| frontal = yes
| solo = yes
| lesbian =
| blowjob =
| hardcore = yes
| anal =
| homepage = http://www.clubangelcassidy.com/
| imdb = 1218939
| onemodelplace =
| iafd = AngelCassidy
| afdb = 30093
| myspace =
| xpeepsname =
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'''Angel Cassidy''' is an [[American]] [[porn star]].

== Big tit movies / pictures of Angel Cassidy ==
* {{macandbumble}}

[[Category:Porn stars]]

Angel Cassidy

2008-07-05T10:00:33Z

Drducker: clearing definebabe

{{Biobox new
| photo = [[Image:AngelCassidy.jpg|240px|Angel Cassidy]]
| alias =
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| birth month= February
|birth day=1
| birth year = 1980
| birth location = San Diego, California, USA
| death date =
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| topless = yes
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| solo = yes
| lesbian =
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| hardcore = yes
| anal =
| homepage = http://www.clubangelcassidy.com/
| imdb = 1218939
| onemodelplace =
| iafd = AngelCassidy
| afdb = 30093
| myspace =
| xpeepsname =
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}}

'''Angel Cassidy''' is an [[American]] [[porn star]].

== Big tit movies / pictures of Angel Cassidy ==
* {{macandbumble}}

[[Category:Porn stars]]

Anna Nova

2008-07-05T09:59:41Z

Drducker: refs to foot, clearing definebabe

{{refimprove|date=June 2008}}
{{Biobox new
|photo= [[Image:Anna Nova.jpg|200px|]]
|alias= Ana Nova, Tara Young
|real name=
|birth date=June 5
|birth day=5
|birth month=jun
|birth year=1975
|birth location=Magdeburg, Germany
|death date=
|death year=
|measurements=36D-24-36
|bra/cup size={{bra|36|D}}<ref name="bio">{{cite web|title=Biography page at Anna's website|url=http://ananovaxxx.com/biography_04.html|accessdate=2008-06-02}}</ref>
|cup size=D
|natural tits=n
|height= {{height|ft=5|in=7}}<ref name="bio"/>
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|hair color=Blonde
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|pubic hair= n
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|topless= y
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|frontal= y
|pink=y
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|lesbiandildo=y
|blowjob= y
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|anal=y
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[[image:Anna_Nova2.jpg|200px|left]]
'''Anna Nova''' is a [[German]] [[adult model]] and [[porn star]] from Magdeburg in East Berlin.
==Biography==
She has two younger brothers who still live in Magdeburg along with their parents.
She moved to Berlin in her early teens (14 years), where she claims gained a lot of experience. She was a dental assistant and a [[stripper]], [[Booby dancer]], and a [[model]].

In 2000 she signed a exclusive contract with Goldlight Productions under the name '''Tara Young''', marking her entry in the Porn Industry. Her first movie was ''Blondes Gift''. Shooting in London, Paris and Barcelona she got around in Europe.

She won the Venus award 2001 as best newcomer for her indisputable ability to fuck and suck like a pro.

She concluded her exclusive contract with Goldlight after two years and 20 movies, she realized the endless possibilities that California had to offer and traveled to America, and she changed her name to her current stage name.
Her first movie in America was ''Wild On Sex'' (Platinum X Pictures).
==External links==
* {{fol|a|Anna_Nova}}

== References ==
{{reflist}}
[[Category:Adult models]]
[[Category:Porn stars]]

Ashley Robbins

2008-07-05T09:57:36Z

Drducker: refs to foot, clearing definebabe

{{Biobox new
|photo= [[Image:AshleyRobbins_dildoing.jpg|240px|Ashley Robbins]]
|alias= Jane O'Hara, Jana, Stacy,
|real name= Jana Semrádová
|birth month= January
|birth day=4
|birth year= 1984
|birth location= Prague
|death date=
|death year=
|measurements= 38-24-36 <ref name="scoreland">[http://www.scoreland.com/modeldir/model/Jana-1017.html Model page] at {{scoreland link}}</ref>
|bra/cup size= {{bra|DD}}
|natural tits= yes
|height= {{height|ft=5|in=6}}
|weight= {{weight|lb=117}}
|body type= Thin
|eye color=
|hair color= Redhead
|hair color2=
|hair length=
|hair shape=
|underarm hair= no
|pubic hair= trimmed
|blood=
|ethnicity= Caucasian
|ethnicity2=
|nationality= Czech
|topless= yes
|bush= yes
|frontal= yes
|solo= yes
|lesbian= yes
|blowjob= yes
|hardcore=
|anal=
|homepage=
|imdb=
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|afdb=
|myspace=
|xpeepsname=
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'''Ashley Robbins''', real name '''Jana Semrádová''', was born in Prague, Czech Republic an is an [[porn star]]. She began doing porn around 2002 and is known for doing mainly solo work. Sometimes she does lesbian or toys as well though.
== Big tit movies / pictures of Ashley Robbins ==
* {{scoreland}}

== References ==
{{reflist}}
[[Category:Adult models]]
[[Category:Porn stars]]
[[Category:Bangbros Worldwide models]]

Asia Carrera

2008-07-05T09:48:13Z

Drducker:

{{Biobox new
| name = Asia Carrera
| photo = [[Image:AsiaCarrera_pussyshowing.jpg|240px|Asia Carrera]]
| alias = Jessica Bennett, Asia
| real name = Jessica Andrea Steinhauser

| birth day = 6
| birth month = August
| birth year = 1973
| birth ref = <ref name="iafd">[http://www.iafd.com/person.rme/perfid=AsiaC/gender=f IAFD entry]</ref><ref name="imdb-bio">[http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0006562/bio IMDB Bio]</ref><ref name="official-bio">[http://www.asiacarrera.com/bio.html Official biography page]</ref>
| birth location = New York, New York, USA<ref name="iafd" /><ref name="imdb-bio" /><ref name="official-bio" />
| birth name =

| death month =
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| death ref =
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| years active =
| ethnicity = Caucasian
| ethnicity2 = Asian
| nationality = American
| nationality2 =

| measurements = 36C-26-36<ref name="iafd" /><ref name="imdb-bio" /><ref name="official-bio" /><ref name="afdb">[http://www.adultfilmdatabase.com/actor.cfm?actorid=8 AFDB entry]</ref>
| bra/cup size = {{bra|36|C}}<ref name="iafd" /><ref name="imdb-bio" /><ref name="official-bio" /><ref name="afdb" />
| natural tits = N
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| implant type =
| pierced nipples =

| height = {{height|ft=5|in=8.5}}<ref name="iafd" /><ref name="official-bio" /><ref name="afdb" />
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| body type = {{bmitobodytype|bmi={{#expr:(50/(1.74*1.74))}}}}
| eye color = {{eyecolor|Brown}}<ref name="afdb" />
| hair color = Black
| hair color2 = Brunette
| hair length =
| hair shape =
| underarm hair = N
| pubic hair = Trimmed
| blood =

| playmatemonth =
| playmateyear =
| petmonth =
| petyear =

| topless = Y
| bush = Y
| frontal = Y
| pink =

| solo = Y
| solodildo =
| solofisting =

| lesbian = Y
| lesbiandildo =
| lesbianfisting =

| blowjob = Y
| hardcore = Y
| anal = Y
| dp =
| fisting =

| bondage =
| watersports =
| fistingmen =

| homepage = http://www.asiacarrera.com/
| blog =
| livejournal =

| myspace = lildictator
| youtube =
| xpeeps =

| modelmayhem =
| onemodelplace =
| deviantart =
| flickr =

| imdb = 0006562
| iafd = AsiaC
| afdb = 8
| egafd =
| bgafd =
}}

'''Asia Carrera''' (born '''Jessica Andrea Steinhauser''' on August 6, 1973 in New York City) is a former [[American]] [[porn star]].

== Biography ==
=== Early life and education ===
Asia was born in New York City to a Japanese father and German mother<ref>[http://www.asiacarrera.com/bio2.html Asia Carrera: Why I do porn]</ref>. She was raised in Little Silver, New Jersey, attending Little Silver Public Schools and Red Bank Regional High School.

She studied piano as a child, and had performed at Carnegie Hall twice before the age of 15. When she was 16, she ran away from home because she felt her parents put too much pressure on her to succeed academically.

She won an academic scholarship to Rutgers University and is a member of Mensa<ref>"[http://www.asiacarrera.com/picture/mensawriteup.jpg They're Accomplished, They're Famous, and They're MENSANS]," ''Mensa Bulletin'', July 2004, p. 23</ref>

==== Adult film career ====
Carrera worked during the early 1990s as a dancer at several go-go bars in her home state of New Jersey.

After doing at least one photoshoot for an adult magazine, she put together a demo porn tape in 1993. At the end of that year she relocated to California to break into the pornography business and she announced her retirement at the end of 2003. She is sometimes credited as '''Asia''' or '''Jessica Bennett'''.

Carrera has also been involved in writing, producing, and directing movies, as well as doing all her own make-up and hair-styling, and doing much of the hair and make-up for other actresses in the same movies.

As is common practice among adult film actresses, the name "Asia Carrera" is a pseudonym. According to interviews, she chose the stage name surname from actress Tia Carrere, intentionally misspelling it for legal reasons.

After her contract with Vivid expired in the mid-1990s, Asia had her right labia minora pierced and has henceforth had a variety of 1/2" gold rings affixed there ever since. At this time she also had her first breast enlargement, going from a medium B to at least a full [[C]] cup. She has had at least one subsequent breast surgery and is now a [[D]] cup or larger.

Asia has performed only a few anal sex scenes, again waiting for her contract with Vivid to expire to do her first scene in the movie ''A Is For Asia''. While anal sex pays better, Asia stated that, while she found it enjoyable, it wasn't something she did in her personal life a great deal and had no interest in becoming an "anal queen" in the industry.

=== Other interests ===
[[Image:Vegas.jpg|left|thumb|240px|Asia Carrera]]
Describing herself as "the nerd of porn", Carrera has an active presence on the Internet. She proudly proclaims that she created her own Web site in the late 1990s, including writing the code and editing the pictures.

She is an avid player of ''Unreal Tournament'' and she has designed her own game skins, and was featured in the show ''Players'' on the G4 games cable channel, where she revealed that her screen name is "Megabitchgoddess." Asia hosted her own Unreal Tournament server that featured custom maps designed by fans that frequented her chatroom that she has hosted on her site since 1997. She is also a Corvette aficionado but traded hers in after starting a family.

=== Personal life ===

In 1995, Carrera married adult film director Bud Lee. They divorced in 2003 after a long separation, but continue to remain good friends. Asia dated Clarke, a former grip from her porn sets, for a few years until his visa expired and he returned to England. Soon after, she married nutritionist and author Don Lemmon on December 19, 2003. The couple moved to St. George, Utah, where Carrera gave birth to her first daughter, Catalina, on March 4, 2005. While she was almost 8 months pregnant with their second baby, Don was killed in a car accident near Las Vegas on June 10, 2006. In an expression of concern about her livelihood and worries of not being able to support their two children on her own, Asia has begun to solicit donations on her personal webpage<ref>[http://www.donlemmon.com/don-lemmon-blog.html WHAT YOU ARE GETTING TODAY IS A GLIMPSE INSIDE MY WORLD...]</ref><ref>[http://www.asiacarrera.com/bulletin.html ASIA'S BULLETINS!]</ref>.

Their son, who was born on July 31, 2006, was initially to be named Devin; but she decided, after Lemmon's death, to name him Donald Edward Lemmon III.<ref>[http://www.reviewjournal.com/obituaries/individual_display.jsp?obitID=4724265 Obituaries: LEMMON JR., DONALD]</ref> She gave birth to her son at home unassisted. She and Don had planned for the birth to be unassisted, but after his death she was offered free midwifery services; she was unsure whether she wanted to give birth alone without her husband. The birth occurred 11 days prior to the estimated due date, while a midwife was en route. They are currently doing well.

She doesn't have a MySpace page, stating "No, any 'Asia' page at MySpace or other social site is an imposter. I've had my own site and domain since 1996, so I don't need to be anywhere else."

=== Commentary on the Susan Russell pornography case ===

In 2006, Carrera was asked for commentary by ''The Spectrum'', a St. George-area newspaper, on the local case of Susan Russell, who was charged with 15 counts of third-degree felony distribution of pornographic material. Russell allegedly sold pornographic materials and sex toys from a back room in her Earrings and More store, potentially violating the "community standards" of the small Mormon-dominated town per the Miller v. California Supreme Court case. Carrera opined:
:"I deliberately moved to St. George with my husband so we could raise our kids in a conservative atmosphere, in a low-crime, family-friendly state. I do appreciate that the laws are there, and will make it harder for my kids to get into trouble when they get older."
However, she also explained,
:"Do I have a problem with porn being sold here? No, not per se. I have no problem with porn at all. Trust me, they don't exploit women, and watching porn has never been scientifically shown to lead to any increase in crime rates, be it rape, pedophilia, or any other sexual crimes."
Nevertheless, she reiterated that the community's conservatism was the reason she moved there, and that she had no plans to challenge it nor, by implication, the arrest of persons distributing movies she herself may have starred in.<ref>[http://thespectrum.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061221/NEWS01/612210311 Pornography case puts privacy rights at odds with set public standards]</ref>





== Filmography ==
* Carrera has an uncredited appearance in the Coen Brothers' ''The Big Lebowski'' <ref>http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118715/fullcredits</ref>
* Carrera was the body double for [[Jennifer Tilly]] in the movie ''Fast Sofa''
* [http://www.asiacarrera.com/mymovies.html Carrera's official filmography]

== External links ==
* [http://www.giantrobot.com/issues/issue14/asia/index.html Interview]


== References ==
{{reflist}}

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[[Category:Danni models]]
[[Category:Genital piercings]]
[[Category:Internet personalities]]
[[Category:Porn stars]]

Asia Carrera

2008-07-05T09:47:32Z

Drducker: biobox cleanup, restructure, references, clearing definebabe

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| photo = [[Image:AsiaCarrera_pussyshowing.jpg|240px|Asia Carrera]]
| alias = Jessica Bennett, Asia
| real name = Jessica Andrea Steinhauser

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'''Asia Carrera''' (born '''Jessica Andrea Steinhauser''' on August 6, 1973 in New York City) is a former [[American]] [[porn star]].

== Biography ==
=== Early life and education ===
Asia was born in New York City to a Japanese father and German mother<ref>[http://www.asiacarrera.com/bio2.html Asia Carrera: Why I do porn]</ref>. She was raised in Little Silver, New Jersey, attending Little Silver Public Schools and Red Bank Regional High School.

She studied piano as a child, and had performed at Carnegie Hall twice before the age of 15. When she was 16, she ran away from home because she felt her parents put too much pressure on her to succeed academically.

She won an academic scholarship to Rutgers University and is a member of Mensa<ref>"[http://www.asiacarrera.com/picture/mensawriteup.jpg They're Accomplished, They're Famous, and They're MENSANS]," ''Mensa Bulletin'', July 2004, p. 23</ref>

==== Adult film career ====
Carrera worked during the early 1990s as a dancer at several go-go bars in her home state of New Jersey.

After doing at least one photoshoot for an adult magazine, she put together a demo porn tape in 1993. At the end of that year she relocated to California to break into the pornography business and she announced her retirement at the end of 2003. She is sometimes credited as '''Asia''' or '''Jessica Bennett'''.

Carrera has also been involved in writing, producing, and directing movies, as well as doing all her own make-up and hair-styling, and doing much of the hair and make-up for other actresses in the same movies.

As is common practice among adult film actresses, the name "Asia Carrera" is a pseudonym. According to interviews, she chose the stage name surname from actress Tia Carrere, intentionally misspelling it for legal reasons.

After her contract with Vivid expired in the mid-1990s, Asia had her right labia minora pierced and has henceforth had a variety of 1/2" gold rings affixed there ever since. At this time she also had her first breast enlargement, going from a medium B to at least a full [[C]] cup. She has had at least one subsequent breast surgery and is now a [[D]] cup or larger.

Asia has performed only a few anal sex scenes, again waiting for her contract with Vivid to expire to do her first scene in the movie ''A Is For Asia''. While anal sex pays better, Asia stated that, while she found it enjoyable, it wasn't something she did in her personal life a great deal and had no interest in becoming an "anal queen" in the industry.

=== Other interests ===
[[Image:Vegas.jpg|left|thumb|240px|Asia Carrera]]
Describing herself as "the nerd of porn", Carrera has an active presence on the Internet. She proudly proclaims that she created her own Web site in the late 1990s, including writing the code and editing the pictures.

She is an avid player of ''Unreal Tournament'' and she has designed her own game skins, and was featured in the show ''Players'' on the G4 games cable channel, where she revealed that her screen name is "Megabitchgoddess." Asia hosted her own Unreal Tournament server that featured custom maps designed by fans that frequented her chatroom that she has hosted on her site since 1997. She is also a Corvette aficionado but traded hers in after starting a family.

=== Personal life ===

In 1995, Carrera married adult film director Bud Lee. They divorced in 2003 after a long separation, but continue to remain good friends. Asia dated Clarke, a former grip from her porn sets, for a few years until his visa expired and he returned to England. Soon after, she married nutritionist and author Don Lemmon on December 19, 2003. The couple moved to St. George, Utah, where Carrera gave birth to her first daughter, Catalina, on March 4, 2005. While she was almost 8 months pregnant with their second baby, Don was killed in a car accident near Las Vegas on June 10, 2006. In an expression of concern about her livelihood and worries of not being able to support their two children on her own, Asia has begun to solicit donations on her personal webpage<ref>[http://www.donlemmon.com/don-lemmon-blog.html WHAT YOU ARE GETTING TODAY IS A GLIMPSE INSIDE MY WORLD...]</ref><ref>[http://www.asiacarrera.com/bulletin.html ASIA'S BULLETINS!]</ref>.

Their son, who was born on July 31, 2006, was initially to be named Devin; but she decided, after Lemmon's death, to name him Donald Edward Lemmon III.<ref>[http://www.reviewjournal.com/obituaries/individual_display.jsp?obitID=4724265 Obituaries: LEMMON JR., DONALD]</ref> She gave birth to her son at home unassisted. She and Don had planned for the birth to be unassisted, but after his death she was offered free midwifery services; she was unsure whether she wanted to give birth alone without her husband. The birth occurred 11 days prior to the estimated due date, while a midwife was en route. They are currently doing well.

She doesn't have a MySpace page, stating "No, any 'Asia' page at MySpace or other social site is an imposter. I've had my own site and domain since 1996, so I don't need to be anywhere else."

=== Commentary on the Susan Russell pornography case ===

In 2006, Carrera was asked for commentary by ''The Spectrum'', a St. George-area newspaper, on the local case of Susan Russell, who was charged with 15 counts of third-degree felony distribution of pornographic material. Russell allegedly sold pornographic materials and sex toys from a back room in her Earrings and More store, potentially violating the "community standards" of the small Mormon-dominated town per the Miller v. California Supreme Court case. Carrera opined:
:"I deliberately moved to St. George with my husband so we could raise our kids in a conservative atmosphere, in a low-crime, family-friendly state. I do appreciate that the laws are there, and will make it harder for my kids to get into trouble when they get older."
However, she also explained,
:"Do I have a problem with porn being sold here? No, not per se. I have no problem with porn at all. Trust me, they don't exploit women, and watching porn has never been scientifically shown to lead to any increase in crime rates, be it rape, pedophilia, or any other sexual crimes."
Nevertheless, she reiterated that the community's conservatism was the reason she moved there, and that she had no plans to challenge it nor, by implication, the arrest of persons distributing movies she herself may have starred in.<ref>[http://thespectrum.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061221/NEWS01/612210311 Pornography case puts privacy rights at odds with set public standards]</ref>


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== Filmography ==
* Carrera has an uncredited appearance in the Coen Brothers' ''The Big Lebowski'' <ref>http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118715/fullcredits</ref>
* Carrera was the body double for [[Jennifer Tilly]] in the movie ''Fast Sofa''
* [http://www.asiacarrera.com/mymovies.html Carrera's official filmography]

== External links ==
* [http://www.giantrobot.com/issues/issue14/asia/index.html Interview]


== References ==
{{reflist}}

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[[Category:Adult models]]
[[Category:Danni models]]
[[Category:Genital piercings]]
[[Category:Internet personalities]]
[[Category:Porn stars]]

Lorna Morgan

2008-07-04T12:16:50Z

Drducker: bgafd

{{Biobox new
|photo=[[Image:Lorna25a.jpg|240px|Lorna Morgan]]
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|blowjob=
|hardcore=
|anal=
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'''Lorna Morgan''' (born February 13, 1976 in Cardiff, South Wales, [[UK]]) is an [[adult model]].

==Early years==
Lorna Morgan went to Heol-y-Celyn junior school on ''Holly Street'' in Rhydyfelin, Pontypridd (pronounced ''Pontypreeth'').

Endowed with exceptionally large [[natural]] [[HH cup]] breasts, Lorna Morgan started modelling in late 1999, but didn't become well-known until around 2001.

Modelling is not her primary employment, but it provides her with a substantial income. She left school with A levels, then studied acting for 2 more years for a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OND BTEC ND], which she achieved with distinction.

==Career==
Lorna Morgan models internationally and her work include appearances for ''[[Score]]'', ''[[Voluptuous]]'', [http://www.flyingrabbits.tv Flying Rabbits], [[XX Cel]], and ''[[Bachelor]]''.

==Personal life==
Lorna Morgan gave birth to a son in 2005. In 2008, she is pregnant with fraternal twins.

== Free pictures ==
[[Image:Lorna_Morgan_001.jpg|240px|thumb|left|Lorna Morgan from <protect>{{scoreland link}}</protect>]]
[[Image:Lorna Morgan 3.jpg|240px|thumb|left|Lorna Morgan from {{xx-cel link}}]]
 

== Free galleries ==
<protect>
* [http://gallys.xlgirls.com/pics/021.LornaMorgan.1598/2/?nats=NzAxMzo0Ojc&page=main.php Lorna Morgan gallery] from {{xlgirls link}}
* [http://gallys.xlgirls.com/pics/020.LornaMorgan.1598/2/?nats=NzAxMzo0Ojc&page=main.php Lorna Morgan gallery] from {{xlgirls link}} </protect>

== Big tit movies / pictures of Lorna Morgan ==
<protect>
* {{xx-cel}}
* {{xtreme-curves}}
* {{danni}}
* {{Scoreland}}
* {{Scorevideos}}
* {{Xlgirls}} </protect>

== If you like Lorna Morgan, you may also like ==
* [[Rio Natsume]] - similar body

==External links==
* [http://icwales.icnetwork.co.uk/news/wales-news/2003/08/23/stalked-model-i-kept-looking-over-my-shoulder-91466-13324368/ icwales.icnetwork.co.uk], Stalker in 2003
* [http://icwales.icnetwork.co.uk/news/wales-news/2003/09/12/glamour-stalker-told-to-stay-away-91466-13400194/ icwales.icnetwork.co.uk], Stalker at Pontypridd magistrates court in 2003
*[http://www.bigbreastarchive.com/alphabetical/lornamorgan/lornamorgan.html Big Breast Archive]

[[Category:Adult models]]
[[Category:Napali Video]]
[[Category:Large areolas]]
[[Category:Bachelor models]]
[[Category:Boob Cruise models]]
[[Category:Tokyo Topless models]]
[[Category:Big Naturals models]]

User talk:Prophecy

2008-07-04T11:41:11Z

Drducker: New section: Refs to foot

Alektra Blue

2008-07-03T21:39:37Z

Drducker: refs to foot

{{Biobox new
|photo=[[image:Alektra_Blue.jpg|240px|Alektra Blue]]
|alias=Alectra, Alektra
|real name=Alektra Blue
|birth date=June 9
|birth month=june
|birth day=9
|birth year=1983
|birth location=Phoenix, Arizona, USA
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|eye color={{eyecolor|Green}}
|hair color=Brunette
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|hair length=
|hair shape=
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|ethnicity=Caucasian
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'''Alektra Blue''' (born June 9, [[1983]]) is an [[American]] [[porn star]] who began working in the porn industry in 2005. She was born in Phoenix, Arizona, but grew up around the Dallas, Texas area. Blue currently resides in Woodland Hills, California. She has [[breast implants]].

Along with [[Brandy Talore]], she won the 2006 F.A.M.E. "Favorite Rookie Starlet of the Year" award<ref>{{cite news |first=Peter |last=Warren |title=F.A.M.E. Awards Prove Fast and Fun |url=http://thefameawards.com/2006/press.aspx |work=2006 F.A.M.E. Awards |date=2006-06-24 |accessdate=2007-03-28}}</ref>
sponsored by, among others, ''AVN'' Magazine magazine.<ref>{{cite web |url=http://thefameawards.com/about.aspx |title=About the 2007 F.A.M.E. Awards |accessdate=2007-03-28 |year=2007 |work=2007 F.A.M.E. Awards}}</ref>

Blue was [[Penthouse Pet]] of the Month for April 2008. <ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.myspace.com/penthouse |title=Penthouse Official Myspace page |accessdate=2008-04-17 |year=2008}}</ref>

== Big tit movies / pictures of Alektra Blue ==
<protect>
* [http://join.clubalektrablue.com/track/MTA3MTY5OjM6NjM/ Alektra Blue Official Site]
* {{18yearsold}}
* {{adultrealitypass}}
* {{allrealitypass}}
* {{allrealityxxxpass}}
* {{amateurcreampies}}
* {{americandaydreams}}
* {{aziani}}
* {{bangbros}}
* {{bigmouthfuls|1081}}
* {{bluefantasies}}
* {{brainpass}}
* {{castingcouchteens}}
* {{covermyface}}
* {{fasttimesatnau}}
* {{firsttimeswallows}}
* {{fourfingerclub}}
* {{frankwank}}
* {{gaggingwhores}}
* {{girlshuntinggirls}}
* {{hellfiresex}}
* {{housewifebangers}}
* {{inthevip}}
* {{jizzbomb}}
* {{lesbianteenhunter}}
* {{lesbiantraining}}
* {{loadmymouth}}
* {{meatmembers}}
* {{mrbigdickshotchicks}}
* {{mysistershotfriend}}
* {{naughtyamericavip}}
* {{nsallaccess}}
* {{povcastingcouch}}
* {{realitykings}}
* {{socalcoeds}}
* {{spermcocktail}}
* {{suze}}
* {{twistys}}
* {{vivid}} </protect>

==External links==
*[http://blog.adultdvdtalk.com/2007/02/alektra_blue_horny_becomes_ale.html Alektra Blue Podcast Interview]
*[http://www.strippersource.com/strip/strippers/alektra-blue/index.shtml Alektra Blue performance schedule, and fan information at Stripper Source]
 
==References==
{{reflist}}

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Ginger Jolie

2008-07-03T10:56:43Z

Drducker: correcting missing refernce, iafd, afdb

{{Biobox new
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|alias= Alexa Dunn, Alexa Kai
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|death date=
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|lesbian=
|blowjob=
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|anal=
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|myspace=
|xpeepsname=
|xpeepsid=
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'''Ginger Jolie''' (born on January 15, [[1983]] in Houston, Texas) was the 35th Anniversary [[Penthouse Pet]] of the Month for September 2004. She grew up in Anahuac, Texas.
== Biography ==
=== Early years ===
Her first sexual encounter was at 14, with what she describes as a "bad boy" preacher's boy. Prior to entering the adult film industry, she studied as a pre-med, biochem major at the University of Texas for two years. After dropping out, she ended up waitressing at [[Hooters]], then at a Texas strip club. Eventually, she took up [[exotic dancer|dancing]], then did her first nude photo shoot in Austin, Texas due to her financial status <ref name="lukeford">[http://www.lukeisback.com/stars/stars/ginger_jolie.htm Ginger Jolie] interview and biography at Lukeisback.com</ref>.

=== Career ===
After moving to Los Angeles, California in June 2003, she was pictured in such magazines as ''Hustler, Club'', and ''High Society'' <ref name="lukeford"/>.

She has participated in Andrew Blake movies, and has worked for Peach DVD, as well as many other magazines since 2003 <ref>[http://www.gingerjolie.com/tour.php GingerJolie.com], tour portion of website</ref>. She currently models full time, running her own website, and has also appeared on {{digitaldesire link}} and {{danni link}}. Her favorite position is riding on top, because she "likes to be in control." She likes the fact that "sex is what you want it to be... it can be nice and sensual or it can be hard and rough."

According to her homepage, she has retired from the adult entertainment business.

== Big tit movies / pictures of {{PAGENAME}} ==
* {{danni}}
* {{digitaldesire}}
 
== References ==
{{reflist}}

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Allysin Chaynes

2008-07-03T03:21:10Z

Drducker: no external links, therefore don't need heading

{{Biobox new
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|alias= Allysin Chains, Allyson Chaynes, Alysin Chaynes
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'''Allysin Chaynes''' (born February 11, [[1979]] in [[Romania]]) is a [[porn star]].

Born in Romania, she and her parents moved to the United States during her childhood, eventually settling in California's San Fernando Valley. She aspired to become a film actress, going as so far as to take acting classes. Instead, she, with her then-boyfriend, began working in pornography in 1997, answering a newspaper advertisement placed for ''Up and Cummers 45'', a movie directed by Randy West.

Her stage name is derived from the heavy metal rock bank ''Alice in Chains''. She originally wanted to call herself Allysin Wonderland, but changed the surname to Chaynes at the behest of Randy West.

Allysin lent her voice to the English dub of the hentai anime ''Vicious'', released in 2001. She plays the main character Angela in both episodes of the series.

== Awards ==
* X-Rated Critics Association: "Cream (Teen) Dream" (2000)

== Free pictures ==
[[Image:Allysin Chaynes jf 01.jpg|thumb|left|240px|Allysin Chaynes from <protect>{{jugfuckers link}}</protect>]]
[[Image:Allysin Chaynes jf 03.jpg|thumb|left|240px|Allysin Chaynes from <protect>{{jugfuckers link}}</protect>]]
 

== Big tit movies / pictures of {{PAGENAME}} ==
<protect>
* {{jugfuckers}}
* {{bigboobpass}}
* {{backseatbangers}}
* {{allrealityxxxpass}}
* {{newsensations}}
* {{fourfingerclub}}
* {{nsallaccess}}
* {{twistys}}
* {{suze}}
* {{cluborgies}}
* {{teenswantorgies}}
* {{teenagersgoingwild}}
* {{jerkoffpass}}
* {{xxxadultstars}}
* {{empire|Allysin+Chaynes|Allysin Chaynes}} </protect>

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[[category:porn stars]]
[[category:short]]

Racquel Darrian

2008-07-03T03:09:24Z

Drducker: DIV -> BR

{{Biobox new
| name =
| photo = [[Image:RacquelDarrian_well.jpg|240px|Racquel Darrian]]
| alias = Kelly Jackson, Lisa Melendez, Racquel Damian, Racquel Damien, Racquel Darian, Racquel Devon, Racquel Corben,
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| birth month = July
| birth year = 1968
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| birth name = Kelley R. Jackson<ref name="imdb-bio"/><ref name=lukeisback/>

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| blowjob = Y
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'''Racquel Darrian''' (born '''Kelly Jackson'''<ref name=ReviewJournal>[http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2007/Feb-14-Wed-2007/news/11787830.html "Porn star bares all except lawsuit against ex"], by Frank Geary, ''Las Vegas Review-Journal'', February 14, 2007. Retrieved 2007-09-19.</ref> July 21, [[1968]], in Hutchinson, Kansas, USA) is an [[American]] [[porn star]].

==Biography==


===Career===
She started her career as a nude model posing for lesbian-themed photoshoots. When she crossed over to adult film, she initially performed only in "all-girl" scenes. As offers increased for her to participate in heterosexual scenes, she began working onscreen with Derrick Lane (whom she married in 1994). She signed an exclusive contract with [[Vivid Video]]; eventually tiring of constantly working with Lane, she insisted on working with other men. Darrian divorced from Derrick Lane in 2000<ref name=ReviewJournal />.

Racquel Darrian is sometimes referred to as the "brunette goddess of porn"<ref name=ReviewJournal /> and her most celebrated attribute is her derriere. She made about 100 adult films between her first film ''Warm Bodies, Hot Nights'' in 1988 and her final film ''Kink'' (also published under the title ''Girlfriend'') in 1999.

Darrian has appeared in ''[[Penthouse]]'' and ''[[Playboy]]'' magazines<ref name=lukeisback>{{cite web | author = Luke Ford | title = Racquel Darrian | publisher = lukeisback.com | url = http://www.lukeisback.com/stars/stars/stars/female/racquel_darrian.html | accessdate = 2007-09-19 }}</ref>. She was the October 1990 ''Penthouse'' Pet of the Month, as Kelly Jackson<ref name=ReviewJournal />, and in ''Playboy'''s 1996 pictorial "Strippers".

Darrian has also appeared in numerous solo, lesbian, straight, and group pictorial spreads in ''[[Velvet]]'' magazine between 1990 and 2002 (including at least 20 covergirl or co-covergirl appearances) including several centerfold spreads and fold-out posters, as well as a "Dear Racquel" section in many issues containing letters from fans with responses by her.

She currently lives in Las Vegas<ref name=ReviewJournal /> and works as a feature dancer at clubs across the U.S.

== Awards ==
* AVN Hall of Fame
* AVN Best Tease Performance (1993) for ''Bonnie and Clyde''







==External links==
* [http://www.lukeisback.com/stars/stars/stars/female/racquel_darrian.html Racquel Darrian biography on Lukeisback.com]
* {{FOL|R|Racquel_Darrian}}

 
== References ==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:1968 births]]
[[Category:Adult models]]
[[Category:Penthouse Pets]]
{{GFDL}}

Angela Little

2008-07-03T02:04:01Z

Drducker: refs to foot using BR

{{Biobox new
| references =
| name = Angela Little
| photo = [[Image:AngelaLittle_well.jpg|240px|Angela Little]]
| alias = Angela Little Mackenzie, Katie James
| real name =

| birth day = 22
| birth month = July
| birth year = 1972
| birth ref = <ref name="imdb-bio">[http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0514516/bio IMDB Bio]</ref>
| birth location = Albertville, Alabama, USA<ref name="imdb-bio"/><ref name="playboy-bio">[http://www.playboy.com/girls/playmates/directory/199808.html Playboy Playmate Pic and Data Sheet]</ref>
| birth name = Angela Michelle Little<ref name="imdb-bio"/>

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'''Angela Little''' is an [[American]] [[adult model]] and was [[Playmate of the Month]] in August 1998.











== Big tit movies / pictures of Angela Little ==
* {{playboyplus}}
* {{mrskin|04483/Angela_Little.htm}}

==External links==
* {{playmate|1998|08}}


 
== References ==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Adult models]]

Victoria Zdrok

2008-07-03T00:58:00Z

Drducker: minor biobox cleanup

{{Biobox new
| name = Victoria Zdrok
| photo = [[Image:VictoriaZdrok_ice.jpg|240px|Victoria Zdrok]]
| alias =
| real name = Victoria Nika Zelenetskaya

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| birth month = mar
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Dr. '''Victoria Nika Zdrok''' (born March 3, [[1973]] in Kiev, Soviet Union) is a ''[[Playboy]]'' [[Playmate]], ''[[Penthouse]]'' Pet of the Year, a star of elaborate adult videos, an attorney, a clinical psychologist, [[sex therapist]] and former goodwill ambassador.

==Biography==
===Early years===
As a child in the former Soviet Union, Victoria listened to Voice of America on her father's clandestine radio and diligently studied English with the hope of one day coming to America. In 1989, at the age of 16, she was honored as the first Soviet teenager allowed to come to the U.S. as a foreign exchange student. She arrived on an academic scholarship, as she describes it, as "a sort of ambassador of goodwill and perestroika and glasnost."

===Career===
Zdrok graduated from Pensacola Junior College in Florida at age 17 and West Chester University in Pennsylvania at age 18 with a B.A., Summa Cum Laude. She entered graduate school where she studied for a joint law and psychology program at Villanova University and Hahnemann Medical School in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. She received her J.D. degree at the Law School and a subsequent M.A. and Ph.D. in clinical psychology. Her dissertation on "The Effect of Judicial Instructions on Jury Perception of Defendants' Refusal to Testify" was recommended for the Law Psychology Awards. She aimed to specialize in the "area where law and psychology intersect" and originally intended to become a jury consultant. She passed the bar exam on her first try. She later completed a post-doctoral qualification in sex therapy at the Robert Wood Johnson Medical School.

She was crowned Philadelphia's "Best Beauty" in August 1994. She has appeared in videos, movies, talk shows and magazines. She became October 1994's ''[[Playboy]]'' [[Playmate of the Month]]. In an interview, Zdrok claimed she would have been selected Playmate of the Year over [[Julie Cialini]] except for false rumors Zdrok said were circulated about her.<ref name="deansplanet.com">[http://www.deansplanet.com/interviews_victoria_zdrok.html Dean S. Planet Interviews Penthouse Pet & Playboy Playmate Victoria Zdrok]</ref>

In June 2002, she became ''[[Penthouse]]'' Pet of the Month. In 2004, at the age of 30, she was named Penthouse Pet of the Year. She is the second woman, after [[Linn Thomas]], to be both a ''Playboy'' Playmate and a ''Penthouse'' Pet.

At one point, she dated Prince Albert II of Monaco.

As of mid-2007, Zdrok is involved in writing the books ''The Naked Truth: Confessions of Centerfolds and Those Who Love Them'', about the centerfold industry, and a book on the psychology of sexual fantasy.

Zdrok said she plans to "phase out" her adult entertainment career. She earned a post-graduate degree in sex therapy with the goal of becoming "the Doctor Ruth of the new generation".

==Trivia==
*The majority of Zdrok's early video and magazine appearances have solo layouts or the occasional girl-girl sequence. In her more recent films ''Assturbator 2'', ''The Seven Spiritual Laws of Sex'', and ''Solo Erotica 4'' she masturbates or gives handjobs.
*Has said that she will take her next husband's name in marriage and will happily take the traditional marriage vow "To love, honor and obey" him.
*She is now working on Howard Stern's Howard 101 channel hosting "The Sex Connection" Tuesday @ 7:00 PM Eastern

==Appearances in ''Playboy'' special editions==
*''Playboy's Playmate Review'' Vol. 11 May 1995 - pages 84-91.
*''Playboy's Book of Lingerie'' Vol. 58 November 1997 - Gen Nishino, pages 15-15.
*''Playboy's Nude Playmates'' April 1998 - cover, pages 1, 3-5.
*''Playboy's Girls of Summer'' May 1998.
*''Playboy's Book of Lingerie'' Vol. 62 July 1998 - pages 64-65.
*''Playboy's Girlfriends'' July 1998 - pages 22-33.
*''Playboy's Book of Lingerie'' Vol. 63 September 1998 - pages 6-7.
*''Playboy's Book of Lingerie'' Vol. 64 November 1998 - pages 40-43.
*''Playboy's Nudes'' December 1998 - pages 24-25, 48-51.
*''Playboy's Book of Lingerie'' Vol. 65 January 1999 - front & back cover, pages 1, 14-17, 90-91.
*''Playboy's Celebrating Centerfolds'' Vol. 2 April 1999 - pages 10-11.
*''Playboy's Barefoot Beauties'' Vol. 1 December 1999.
*''Playboy's Wet & Wild'' December 1999.
*''Playboy's Book of Lingerie'' Vol. 71 January 2000 - pages 22-25.
*''Playboy's Book of Lingerie'' Vol. 73 May 2000.
*''Playboy's Sexy 100'' February 2003.

== Big tit movies / pictures of Victoria Zdrok ==
* {{macandbumble}}
* {{playboyplus}}

==External links==
* {{playmate|1994|10}}
*[http://www.mindhacks.com/blog/2005/05/dr_victoria_zdrok_o.html Dr Victoria Zdrok interviewed on mindhacks.com]
*[http://www.askmen.com/love/vanessa_100/126b_love_secrets.html askmen.com] Love Secrets - by Dr. Victoria Zdrok] (her advice site)
*[http://adultbeat.com/article.php?id=1078 Interview with Adult Beat]
*[http://adultfyi.com/read.php?ID=5910 adultfyi.com] (interview on PervertRadio)
 
==References==
{{reflist}}

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[[Category:Penthouse Pets]]
[[Category:Puffy nipples]]
[[Category:Sex therapists]]

Angela Little

2008-07-02T21:50:16Z

Drducker: refs to foot

{{Biobox new
| references =
| name = Angela Little
| photo = [[Image:AngelaLittle_well.jpg|240px|Angela Little]]
| alias = Angela Little Mackenzie, Katie James
| real name =

| birth day = 22
| birth month = July
| birth year = 1972
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| birth location = Albertville, Alabama, USA<ref name="imdb-bio"/><ref name="playboy-bio">[http://www.playboy.com/girls/playmates/directory/199808.html Playboy Playmate Pic and Data Sheet]</ref>
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'''Angela Little''' is an [[American]] [[adult model]] and was [[Playmate of the Month]] in August 1998.











== Big tit movies / pictures of Angela Little ==
* {{playboyplus}}
* {{mrskin|04483/Angela_Little.htm}}

==External links==
* {{playmate|1998|08}}


 
== References ==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Adult models]]

Ashley Lawrence

2008-07-02T21:48:49Z

Drducker: refs to foot

{{Biobox new
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'''Ashley Lawrence''' (born [[December 9]]<ref>http://www.fembomb.com/bio_test.htm</ref>, [[1979]]<ref name="myspace" />), also known as '''FemBomB''', is a [[glamour model]].
 
==References==
{{reflist}}
[[Category:Glamour models]]

Ashley Massaro

2008-07-01T11:48:17Z

Drducker: Adding Image

{{Biobox new
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| real name = Ashley Marie Massaro

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| birth day = 26
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Ashley Marie Massaro[1] (born May 26, 1979), better known simply as Ashley, is an American pictorial model and professional wrestler, signed to World Wrestling Entertainment, wrestling on its Raw brand. She was the winner of the Raw Diva Search 2005 and was on the cover of the April 2007 issue of Playboy Magazine.She was a contestant on the fifteenth season of Survivor in China, but was the second contestant to be eliminated

== Early life ==
Massaro grew up in Long Island, New York, where her brother and father competed in amateur wrestling.She received her Bachelor of Science degree in Communication with a minor in Business from the State University of New York

== World Wrestling Entertainment ==

Ashley Massaro, came to WWE in June 2005 as a contestant in the 2005 Raw Diva Search. After beating the seven other chosen finalists, Massaro was declared the winner on the August 15, 2005 edition of Raw. She won the $250,000 Diva Search contest which included the $250,000 and a one year contract with World Wrestling Entertainment (WWE).

2005–2006
Ashley made her first WWE appearance as an official WWE Diva on the August 21, 2005 pre-SummerSlam edition of HEAT where she conducted interviews with the fans, The Fabulous Moolah, and Mae Young. Later that night, Massaro made her first appearance at a pay-per-view event when she joined the other bikini-clad divas in washing Mr. McMahon's presidential limo backstage.

The following night on Raw, WWE Divas Candice Michelle and Torrie Wilson called out Massaro, claiming they wanted to welcome her to Raw. After Ashley came out, Candice and Wilson turned heel and started attacking Ashley.Ashley continued to feud with the two divas who were soon joined by Victoria. Victoria later defeated Ashley in her in-ring debut match.Ashley was later joined by the returning Trish Stratus, who helped Ashley fend off attacks from the three divas. The pair defeated the trio, who became known as the Ladies in Pink (and later Vince's Devils) on several occasions including at Unforgiven and at WWE Homecoming in a 3-on-2 Bra and Panties match.Ashley continued to wrestle matches through the rest of 2005 and was involved in the annual Fulfill Your Fantasy Diva Battle Royal at Taboo Tuesday for her first shot at the WWE Women's Championship. Ashley eliminated Candice Michelle before being eliminated by Victoria.

One of her biggest wins was at New Year's Revolution when Ashley won the first ever Bra and Panties Gauntlet match by being the final Diva left still wearing her clothes.Following WWE tradition, to please the fans, she removed them herself before making her exit.

Through the early part of 2006, Ashley became the victim of a series of vicious attacks from a jealous Mickie James. At the Royal Rumble, Mickie defeated Ashley with then Women's Champion, Trish Stratus, as the special guest referee.Ashley got her revenge one week later by pinning James in the rematch on Raw.

During the February 20, 2006 edition of Raw Ashley suffered a fractured left fibula while being eliminated from the Women's Battle Royal.Upon further medical consultation, it was announced on WWE.com that because of the spiral crack in her left fibula, Ashley would need surgery.She underwent the procedure to have a plate positioned in her leg in March 2006. During her recovery, Ashley still occasionally appeared on Raw as part of the Stratus/James feud, albeit in a non-active role.

On June 1, WWE's website announced that Ashley was the newest SmackDown! diva. She made her debut on the June 2 edition of SmackDown! as a special guest commentator during the Kristal Marshall vs. Jillian Hall match.Upon debuting on SmackDown!, Ashley aligned herself with Jillian Hall as they feuded with Michelle McCool and Kristal Marshall. She won her debut match on the July 21 edition of SmackDown!, where she teamed up with Hall and defeated McCool and Marshall.At The Great American Bash, Massaro won the Fatal Four Way Bra and Panties match.On the August 4 edition of SmackDown!, Ashley broke her knuckle in a match against Kristal Marshall.

Ashley returned to the ring on the September 8, 2006 edition of SmackDown! where she, Paul London, and Brian Kendrick defeated Idol Stevens, K.C. James and Michelle McCool in a Six-Person Mixed Tag Team match.Following the victory, Ashley became the valet for London and Kendrick, accompanying them to the ring for their matches on SmackDown! and pay-per-views.

2007–present
During the February 16, 2007 edition of SmackDown!, Ashley unveiled her Playboy cover.Surrounding the release of the magazine, Ashley engaged in a feud with Jillian Hall over who was the most talented Diva on SmackDown! and Halls' jealousy over Ashley's Playboy cover. At No Way Out, Ashley won the first ever Diva Invitational by removing her top to reveal her breasts which were covered with Playboy bunny pasties.Surrounding the release of the cover, Ashley continued to feud with Jillian, but also began a feud with then WWE Women's Champion, Raw's Melina. Melina was angry over the publicity Ashley had been receiving because of the cover and believed that she deserved more publicity than Ashley for being the Women's Champion.On an episode of SmackDown!, the rivalry was taken to the next level when a catfight broke out between the Divas on the inaugural edition of Miz TV.At WrestleMania 23, Melina defeated Ashley in a LumberJill match to retain her title.

After WrestleMania, Ashley continued as a valet for WWE Tag Team Champions Paul London and Brian Kendrick. In storyline, on the April 13 episode of SmackDown!, Ashley was attacked by Jillian Hall.In reality, Ashley had loosened a screw in her ankle that needed to be surgically repaired by being reinserted into a plate in her ankle, which was inserted last year after Ashley legitimately fractured her tibia and fibula while in a battle royal.Ashley returned a couple months later seeking revenge on Jillian for injuring her. Her return was short lived when on the June 8 edition of SmackDown!, Ashley was kayfabe suspended indefinitely after accidentally spilling Mr. McMahon's coffee on him.In reality, Ashley was taking time off to participate on the show Survivor.

Ashley returned on January 7, 2008 to the RAW brand, winning a divas lingerie pillow fight against Maria, Jillian Hall, Melina, and Mickie James.Since her return, Ashley briefly had been on the house show circuit as Atlas DaBone's valet.Ashley replaced Candice Michelle due to her injury in the Playboy Bunnymania Lumberjack Match at Wrestlemania XXIV alongside Maria, losing to Beth Phoenix and Melina. Ashley also participated in a 12 Diva Tag Team Match at Backlash in which her team lost.

== In wrestling ==
*'''Finishing and signature moves'''
:*Starstruck (Second rope elbow drop)
:*Spear
:*Diving crossbody
:*Headscissors takedown
:*Hurricanrana
:*Monkey flip

*'''Wrestlers managed by Ashley'''
:*Trish Stratus
:*Brian Kendrick
:*Paul London

*'''Nicknames'''
:*The Dirty Diva
:*The Punk Princess

*'''Theme music'''
:*Be Yourself" by Audioslave (2005 Diva Search theme).
:*Indie Rock Cafe" her Theme on Pay-Per-Views's
:*Jetset" - A WWE Production Theme
:*Bleedsuckers"- A WWE Production
:*Light a Fire" by Nuts In A Blender
:*Lets Light A Fire Tonight" by Aiden

*'''Championships and accomplishments'''
World Wrestling Entertainment
:*Diva Search winner (2005)
:*Playboy April 2007 - Cover Girl

== Other media ==

'''Survivor'''

Massaro was a contestant on CBS's Survivor: China.She claims that she approached WWE with the idea of doing the show, and after going through the casting process, she found out she made the show ten days before she had to leave for China to film it.Prior to the experience, Massaro had never been camping before, so to train for the show she had to get used to being outside.She was assigned to the Zhan Hu tribe in the first episode, and started to annoy her tribe members with her constant quarreling with fellow contestant Dave Cruser. In the second episode, Massaro was voted off after six days in China in a 6-1 vote.

'''Modeling and acting'''

She has competed in Miss Hawaiian Tropic pageants and was crowned Miss Hawaiian Tropic USA in 2002 and Miss Hawaiian Tropic Canada in August 2004.She has appeared in FHM, Stuff, Maxim, and on the cover of Playboy after joining WWE, though she had previously posed for Playboy under the name Ryan Mackenzie. In addition, she has appeared in both Femme Fatale and FLEX magazines.Ashley has also hosted several E! channel Wild On! episodes and even appeared on Breaking Bonaduce as Danny Bonaduce 's personal trainer.Ashley has hosted Celebrity Death Match and has guest starred on an episode of Extreme Makeover: Home Edition alongside WWE Superstars John Cena and Batista.

In February 2007, Ashley and Kane filmed an episode of the CW's Smallville that aired on March 22, 2007.[2] In April 2007, Ashley also appeared as a guest on Fuse TV's show The Sauce.On April 20, 2007, Ashley, Torrie Wilson, Maryse, Brooke, Layla El and Kelly Kelly filmed Timbaland's video, "Throw It on Me" featuring The Hives.

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'''Bettie Ballhaus''' (born February 8, 1978, in Frankfurt (Oder), East Germany) is a [[German]] [[porn star]] and [[adult model]]. She has retired from porn business and currently presents late night quiz shows on German TV.{{Fact|date=May 2008}}

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== If you like Bettie Ballhaus, you may also like ==
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